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LucyNeo's avatar

I would give a thousand likes for this if I could. I understood this decades ago and watched as the practice of medicine and “health care” spiraled down a profiteering pathway, predicated on its own self congratulatory nonsense, with such inertia, that to raise a flag meant you were either going to be killed by the train or had to get out of the way.

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Last vaccine I had was tetanus about 8 years ago (am 45). Never got a flu shot and haven’t had flu in 30 years. I will never get another vaccine. I do believe that viruses exist. I used zinc, Quercetin and vitamins D and C and haven’t had a cold symptom in four years. I also believe that Alzheimer’s, mad cow, and chronic wasting disease in deer and elk are caused by glyphosate. Or at least a combination of glyphosate with GMO grains (maybe chemical fertilizer) in the diet. Probably also contributes to autism due to gut/immune damage in babies.

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Jeremy Michael's avatar

Good for you, Nick. As an extension, if you look at what can really be concluded from the experimental methods used in studying "viruses" and resulting data, it is far from proving they are causative of disease. At best it's a correlation. But the correlation exists in healthy AND sick "hosts", so it really doesn't tell us much at all.

But, given that realistic host-host "viral" transmission experiments have NEVER been able to demostrate this to actually work, it's FAR more likely that these things (not organsims bc not really alive and don't even have a metabolism) are symbiotic in their nature and have important roles to play in our ecosystems. And so probably helpful in most cases (ie. a fairly healthy human not run down with various comorbidities, toxicities or malnourishment). It's most likely a very dangerous game, trying to fight against nature and eliminate them, especially when the "cure" unavoidably involves injecting oneself dozens of times with known toxic substances.

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Jeremy Michael's avatar

You could go ahead and explain how causation of a specific symptomatology was demonstrated or observed. Or produce a study that shows viral transmission between hosts in a way that is somehow related to reality.

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Jeremy Michael's avatar

Ok. Name one. Let's take a look.

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darkesthour's avatar

prepare to be amazed -> https://drchristopherexley.substack.com/

spolier alert: Alzheimer’s, Parkinson's and autism are on the rise because of aluminium/aluminum.

spoiler of previous spoiler: there is a natural remedy to aluminium/aluminum intoxication :)

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brightsAngel's avatar

Iatrogenic death due to medical interventions are a norm in allopathic ‘medicine’.

People do not need ‘vaccines’ nor the widespread hand outs of prescriptions of various money making pills that ends up in the pockets of Big Pharma and other culprits.

Take control of your own health, tend to your one body, let it be your temple and treat yourself like that no matter what any three letter ‘health’ official organisation or government are telling you.

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Just_Henry's avatar

The covid fiasco is an ongoing disaster but there have been a few huge discoveries that will greatly benefit humanity going forward. Here are three in no particular order. 1. Infant vaccines cause SIDS(sudden infant death syndrome). Florida data showing that in 2020 during the lockdowns new parents couldn’t get their infants immunized with the infant vaccine schedule (mmr, dpt etc) and the incidence of SIDS plummeted! 2. Discovery that fenbendazole can cure cancer. Covid vax induced cancer cured by side effect free, OTC, cheap antiparasite medicine! https://fenbendazole.substack.com/?r=oh1g6&utm_campaign=pub&utm_medium=web 3. The government, the media and health agencies are dangerously dishonest and should be ignored.

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Rogier van Vlissingen's avatar

Yes, and in the end, the argument over if viruses do or don't "exist" may well be the boobie-prize. there is enough evidence that the terrain is most important. Adequate vitamin D levels achieve about an 80% reduction in severe cases of Covid-19 and there was research published in BMJ that on a plant-based diet (anti-inflammatory!), doctors and nurses had a 73% reduction in moderate to severe covid outcomes, on a pescetarian diee -59% but on the popular low carb, high fat diets (Atkins, Paleo, Keto, etc.), the risk of "moderate to severe" covid was INCREASED by 20%. Dr. Nandita Shah of SHARAN India, has a completely drug-free Covid protocol with apparently a high success rate, all based on nutrition, and a few simple insights. So one way or another, diet and lifestyle seems to be a decisively important determinant of outcomes, and that implies that even if the virus "exists" it is not the cause of anything.

At a deeper level, it is the persistent Newtonian orietntation of medicine that would cause them to think that a "thing" would be first cause at all. Matter is a second-order phenomenon (see: https://www.bernardokastrup.com/2019/09/guest-essay-metaphysical-rubber-meets.html). But the profitability of pharma simply rests on maintaining the germ-theory model, of singular causes for definable symptom sets, and therein lies the rub.

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JustANobody's avatar

Is there a link you can provide for Dr.Shah if India? Much appreciated.

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Rogier van Vlissingen's avatar

Yes: - here is the presentation on the Covid Protocol by Dr. Nandita Shah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfJMz_LnarY&t=1641s

It is in general one of the most insightful presenations you can find on the whole Covid disease process and how the body handles it. If I lived any closer, she would be my doctor ;-)

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JustANobody's avatar

You are kind to post this link. Thank u kindly.

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JustANobody's avatar

I'm with you!

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Nancy's avatar

Perfectly said!👍🏼

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

Yep! There is a symbiotic relationship between humans and microbes. We coexist because it is part of God’s design for humans and all animals. The medicine man believes he can improve on gods design and interfere with this symbiotic relationship. Not for good health, but for the bottom line and the hubris of the medicine man, personified by Anthony Fauci who is the orchestra leader!

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Jeremy Michael's avatar

Succinct, well-put and on-point.

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Jeremy Michael's avatar

If viruses exist (and I believe that the evidence indicates that there may be particles of encapsulted RNA, possibly foreign to the host in which it resides) it is highly unlikely they are "pathogenic" in nature as we are told. The boldest claim that could honestly be made from the evidence available is that of a correlation with a specific disease in some of the people who express it clinically. Which doesn't really tell us much at all. And is such a far cry from establishing causation and from satisfying Koch's postulates (and all of the modified postulates proposed since) that it has fueled a great many people to deny their existence altogether. (Which I think is technically going a bit too far, but may indeed be justified since their nature/behavior and existence are, for all intents and purposes, inextricabally bound by the narrative used to brainwash us on this topic.

It's FAR more likely that these things (not organsims bc not really alive and don't even have a metabolism) are symbiotic in theire nature and have important roles to play in our ecosystems. And so probably helpful in most cases (ie. a fairly healthy human not run down with various comorbidities, toxicities or malnourishment)

Also, no remotely-realistic host-host transmission studies have ever been successful. So it doesn't seem likely that the passing of these particles from one person to another is the causative factor. But their detectable presence may be indicative of something held in common among the sick (and the healthy "carriers", unfortunately. So again, not very helpful).

Really, trying to eliminate whole [links in a food chain] has, in general, proved to be a bad idea. It's better to observe and promote balance, with very measured and cautious interventions. However, we almost never get it right. The systems are too complex.

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Jeremy Michael's avatar

Please specify. I love healthy debate.

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Jeremy Michael's avatar

So you can't.

I have done my own research. I just stated my analyses above. Pick a study and we can analyze. Or troll. Whichever.

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Jeremy Michael's avatar

I feel so owned.

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brightsAngel's avatar

https://jamesroguski.substack.com/p/pfuck-pfizer?utm_medium=reader2

Another ‘vaccine’ to be put onto pregnant women, what could possibly go wrong?

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Loretta Thomas's avatar

So rabies isn’t a problem if you have a healthy gut?

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

Good question. My cousin was bitten by a rabid squirell and survived, but was mentally deficient. IQ aroung 90. I think the problem is over reach. Bottom line drives the issue. Side effects from drugs indicate immune system interference. The side effect profile of mRNA is out of sight and they still push it! My view.

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Loretta Thomas's avatar

Still need a terrain theory person to volunteer to be bitten by a rabid bat. Why can’t it be both? Great terrain can beat most viruses but there are a few that even a great terrain can’t beat without serious battle scars!

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Jeremy Michael's avatar

Maintaining a healthy MICRO-biome is certainly not a HALLMARK of allopathic medicine. Where do you live?

(It's microbiome. Not biome. That means something else.)

Has anyone here had their insurance or medical practioner encouraging or incentiving keeping a healthy microbiome?

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Loretta Thomas's avatar

I am confused about this substack. You use derogatory name calling , Mr. DeGrasso does the same. If this is how science advances I can understand how we ended up with a bully like Fauci.

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2nd Smartest Guy in the World's avatar

Loretta, this substack does NOT endorse derogatory ad hominem insults. I am letting this slide for now, but if it keeps escalating I will soon start deleting.

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John Klaers's avatar

It's unfortunate that the "Maisma Theory" title was brought up. Miasma Theory is an old belief started by Hippocrates (spelling?) and is no longer used. it refers to "Bad Air) causing disease. It's not debatable that germs cause disease but it's unfortunate that it is used here because the rest of the argument is quite correct. The germs in your gut are a VERY important part of your health.

If you want to know more about why modern medicine is off track (and I'm a 40 year practitioner in the field) look into the Hygene Hypothesis.

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2nd Smartest Guy in the World's avatar

The reason Miasma Theory was referenced was because it was referenced in JFK Jr.'s book.

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Jeremy Michael's avatar

The topic is mainly viruses as things relate to Fauci. You are describing bacteria.

It may also be helpful if you read a bit more on the topic as the literature has shown that Salmonella is sometimes correlative with disease and sometimes not.

Souce: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2218408/

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Since the surveillance of salmonellosis in Sweden is primarily passive, it can be assumed that most of the asymptomatic salmonella infections are never identified. We here report the proportion of asymptomatic and symptomatic salmonella infections in Swedish travellers to different geographic areas as well as in "contacts" to index cases with salmonellosis. In the 346 travellers studied Salmonellae were isolated equally often among those who remained healthy (10/216; 4.6%) as in those with intestinal symptoms (7/130; 5.4%). Similarly, most of the salmonella-infected "contacts" to index cases (11/15; 73%) had an asymptomatic infection. No difference in the mean duration of excreting Salmonella in the stool was found between carriers with symptomatic and asymptomatic infection. The literature concerning transmission of nontyphi Salmonellae from carriers was reviewed. Since person to person transmission is rarely noted, screening for carriers may be limited to food handlers and hospital personnel taking care of patients susceptible to low infective doses of Salmonella. Similarly, follow-up faecal cultures in individuals with notified salmonella infection may be restricted to these groups.

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Jeremy Michael's avatar

Wow. You got me there.

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Jeremy Michael's avatar

Bringing up bacteria when the criticism is of "viruses." You're good.

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Thomas A Braun RPh's avatar

Thank you!

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Torgul's avatar

Thank you and shared.

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A Cat's avatar

Can you please provide the links and/or names to the referenced articles?

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Could you provide a link to where you got the graphs from? Or even better, where the data for those graphs comes from? I'd like to see the details more clearly. You can't even read the years in the blurry image you provided. The reason I'm wondering is that I wanted to refute how useful vaccines were to someone in my family who is still urging everyone to get the jab. I remembered seeing these graphs of yours a while back, but couldn't remember when or where. Doing a web search gave many results such as the graphs in:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9059077/Fascinating-graphs-reveal-highly-infectious-diseases-wiped-vaccines.html

which show something very different. I finally found your page again, not through searching (perhaps this type of search is suppressed?) but rather through the hopeful act of scrolling through a month or so's articles in web sites I frequently visit. So are you right, or they? I can't tell because your data is basically anonymous (too blurry to read). I'm assuming the discrepancy is because the charts I've been able to find are number of cases, rather than percent of population. Please help me out. Thanks!

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