I have also read in several sources about using Doxycycline. But many of these same sources emphasize (I assume rightly) that protecting gut health, e.g. by minimizing anti-biotics) is also cancer and general health-protective. Could you look into this seeming contradiction? [stage 3 melanoma patient using FenBen and IVM]
I have also read in several sources about using Doxycycline. But many of these same sources emphasize (I assume rightly) that protecting gut health, e.g. by minimizing anti-biotics) is also cancer and general health-protective. Could you look into this seeming contradiction? [stage 3 melanoma patient using FenBen and IVM]
That is a great question the following should be considered
Short-term vs. Long-term Use: Using doxycycline for a short duration might not have the same long-lasting impact on the gut as prolonged use.
Probiotics and Diet: Concurrently taking probiotics and consuming a diet rich in fibers and fermented foods can potentially help maintain or restore gut flora balance.
Doxycycline is primarily absorbed in the small intestine and may therefore be one of the antibiotics that have minimal effects on the micro biome. The therapy dose for cancer may also be lower than the one intended to treat infection.
Thanks, Finem (et quaero, quod finem respicis?)--I was wondering the same. I avoid antibiotics at almost-all cost--though I do have a supply, thanks to our esteemed 2SG, of doxy for pets--and given that all members of family either have taken, or are currently taking, swimming lessons, I suppose that they qualify as 'aquatic members of the family'
I do use that. I did not post my entire regimen. :-) I have chosen not to do any current standard-of-care oncology, such as chemo or immuno-therapy. I have done quite a bit of research since my first melanoma was removed 2 years ago, and since it returned last May.
I am intrigued by the metabolic theory of cancer as proposed by Dr Thomas Seyfried and others. I do keep a pretty strict Keto diet, and have winnowed down the literally dozens of things found in Jane McLelland's book and other sources into what I feel comfortable with. Fenben and IVM (as long as I can get them) are the backbone of my "protocol". Thanks for replying!
I learned much of what you talk about when my sister was diagnosed with cancer and tried to help her but she went the conventional route. Died soon after her first Covid shot. But I am armed for the future with that knowledge and what IтАЩm learning here about fenbendazole and IVM. Now doxycycline. I took it for a month last summer for a possible tick bite. I did get horrible sun sensitivity issues--which is warned. It went away after discontinuing doxy. But for cancer I would certainly go there. Success, my friend. We live in a remarkable time.
The issue (IMO) is not whether one will survive cancer. Some do, some do not. But as far as I can tell, all current Standard of Care (SOC) drugs are experimental and can destroy your body and immune system, or even give you other cancers. I want to live as well as I can until I can't.
Check out Dr. Marik's excellent new book: Cancer Care: The Role of Repurposed Drugs and Metabolic Interventions in Treating Cancer Paperback тАУ August 14, 2023 by Paul E Marik (Author)
ItтАЩs a great compilation. My only criticism would be his emphasis on the ketogenic diet. Some cancers, eg prostate cancer, use fat as their primary source of nutrition (at least if they havenтАЩt been pushed into a different adaptation) and approaching that through a ketogenic diet might lead you in the wrong direction.
So sorry you had this experience! I agree with you completely. Women's physiology tends to be more sensitive to signals of starvation (fasting) and carbohydrate limitation (ketogenic diets), but that said, I've seen examples of young men ruin their hormonal training through undereating and overtraining. I got myself out of a similar hole by increasing caloric intake by eating "intuitively"(including carbs) for a while. There was some temporary slight weight gain, just a couple of punds, and then the metabolism stabilized. Never regained full thyroid health, though, and still respond with signifiacant decrease in thyroid hormone conversion if I go on a keto diet for some reason.
You would be best served to go on a keto diet. I do not agree with the previous comment. Sugar/glucose is critical to remove, especially during your treatment cycle.
Please do not believe everything you read in the comments section here.
Please see links below. It's quite easy to find more data on this, probably because prostate cancer is so common, and its' safer to do your own research on pubmed in addition to these informal sources.
Both a high fat diet and elevated IGF-1 seem to be something to avoid in this type of Ca. There is no "official" agreed-upon diet for prostate Ca, but it would make sense to avoid eating a lot of fat, other than fish/krill oil/olive oil, and due to the IGF-1 connection, eating less dairy and meat. OTOH trans-vaccinic acid in meat has been found to have benefits against cancer cells https://biologicalsciences.uchicago.edu/news/tva-nutrient-cancer-immunity but it's not clear whether it outweighs the risk in cancer where the research has shown a connection to IGF-1.
I disagree with the first study completely, which concludes in very uncertain terms. We know that sugar is cancer food, and a modified keto diet is an effective way to reduce said sugars. You may if you are worried about these questionable studies increase protein and reduce fats, but I would not.
Second study is complete nonsense.
Third study is about IGF-1 and a keto diets REDUCE IGF-1.
Fourth link also is nothing to do with keto diet, and again keto diets REDUCE IGF-1.
So you basically have no clue what you are advising here.
I could break down the studies in fine granular fashion, but I won't given time constraints.
Cut out the carbs and sugars, and get on a keto diet.
There are SO many reasons to cut out carbs and sugar besides cancer. Read Dr Lustig's book Metabolical for a detailed but not overly technical explanation.
I am not advising anything at all, I am merely discussing a topic by responding to a direct question. I am not trying to convince you or anyone else, and have no horse in the fight.
The question is not about a specific study but about the metabolic flexibility of cancer. Not all cancers at all times metabolize sugars primarily through the Warburg reaction, and it is prudent for actual cancer patients whose life is on the line to look up the metabolic profile of their particular type. Even within a single tumor there may be cells with several different mutations, so there seems to be very little uniformity when it comes to cancer.
I am just a cancer patient, and I donтАЩt think that it would be right. I encourage everyone to read the books and peruse the Facebook pages for Joe Tippens protocol. But there are hundreds of such тАЬprotocolsтАЭ. I think a lot of them are stupid, but I try to keep an open mind due to the fact that weтАЩre all cancer patients.
IтАЩm perusing a lot too including the Joe Tippens story. It all gets so confusing with what you should or shouldnтАЩt do. So I keep taking bits of which makes sense to me (IтАЩm an industrial chemist by trade). You can tell some of the protocols are just designed to get you to buy more supplements. Plenty of FB groups like that pushing their own brand but not being upfront about it. Being able to DM someone like you would be of great value though Idk if thatтАЩs possible. At least not through this app
For the JTP, I do not take the cannabis oil. Most of the other supplements are pretty widely accepted as safe, such as anti-inflammatory ones, e.g. curcumin, baby aspirin, Vit. C and D3, etc. My impression from most of the Facebook groups is that many cancer patients are extremely desperate to try ANYTHING. I am sympathetic, but some of these protocols ("pathways") are too complicated to follow, even for a scientist. This is why I have made my peace with JTP, moderate keto diet, and basic supplements.
Thank you, FinemRespice, for sharing your story with us. You give me hope that my 92-year-old mother, just diagnosed with Lymphoma, can receive effective treatment that is much less jarring than traditional chemo offerings that are so highly toxic. OneтАЩs quality of life is everything!
I have also read in several sources about using Doxycycline. But many of these same sources emphasize (I assume rightly) that protecting gut health, e.g. by minimizing anti-biotics) is also cancer and general health-protective. Could you look into this seeming contradiction? [stage 3 melanoma patient using FenBen and IVM]
That is a great question the following should be considered
Short-term vs. Long-term Use: Using doxycycline for a short duration might not have the same long-lasting impact on the gut as prolonged use.
Probiotics and Diet: Concurrently taking probiotics and consuming a diet rich in fibers and fermented foods can potentially help maintain or restore gut flora balance.
Define 'short-term'. My doc prescribed it for 10 days - every 12 hours, so 20 pills - for cellulitis.
Doxycycline is primarily absorbed in the small intestine and may therefore be one of the antibiotics that have minimal effects on the micro biome. The therapy dose for cancer may also be lower than the one intended to treat infection.
Thanks, Finem (et quaero, quod finem respicis?)--I was wondering the same. I avoid antibiotics at almost-all cost--though I do have a supply, thanks to our esteemed 2SG, of doxy for pets--and given that all members of family either have taken, or are currently taking, swimming lessons, I suppose that they qualify as 'aquatic members of the family'
I do use that. I did not post my entire regimen. :-) I have chosen not to do any current standard-of-care oncology, such as chemo or immuno-therapy. I have done quite a bit of research since my first melanoma was removed 2 years ago, and since it returned last May.
I am intrigued by the metabolic theory of cancer as proposed by Dr Thomas Seyfried and others. I do keep a pretty strict Keto diet, and have winnowed down the literally dozens of things found in Jane McLelland's book and other sources into what I feel comfortable with. Fenben and IVM (as long as I can get them) are the backbone of my "protocol". Thanks for replying!
I learned much of what you talk about when my sister was diagnosed with cancer and tried to help her but she went the conventional route. Died soon after her first Covid shot. But I am armed for the future with that knowledge and what IтАЩm learning here about fenbendazole and IVM. Now doxycycline. I took it for a month last summer for a possible tick bite. I did get horrible sun sensitivity issues--which is warned. It went away after discontinuing doxy. But for cancer I would certainly go there. Success, my friend. We live in a remarkable time.
The issue (IMO) is not whether one will survive cancer. Some do, some do not. But as far as I can tell, all current Standard of Care (SOC) drugs are experimental and can destroy your body and immune system, or even give you other cancers. I want to live as well as I can until I can't.
Check out Dr. Marik's excellent new book: Cancer Care: The Role of Repurposed Drugs and Metabolic Interventions in Treating Cancer Paperback тАУ August 14, 2023 by Paul E Marik (Author)
Already have read it.
ItтАЩs a great compilation. My only criticism would be his emphasis on the ketogenic diet. Some cancers, eg prostate cancer, use fat as their primary source of nutrition (at least if they havenтАЩt been pushed into a different adaptation) and approaching that through a ketogenic diet might lead you in the wrong direction.
So sorry you had this experience! I agree with you completely. Women's physiology tends to be more sensitive to signals of starvation (fasting) and carbohydrate limitation (ketogenic diets), but that said, I've seen examples of young men ruin their hormonal training through undereating and overtraining. I got myself out of a similar hole by increasing caloric intake by eating "intuitively"(including carbs) for a while. There was some temporary slight weight gain, just a couple of punds, and then the metabolism stabilized. Never regained full thyroid health, though, and still respond with signifiacant decrease in thyroid hormone conversion if I go on a keto diet for some reason.
You would be best served to go on a keto diet. I do not agree with the previous comment. Sugar/glucose is critical to remove, especially during your treatment cycle.
Please do not believe everything you read in the comments section here.
You might want to look a little deeper. Cancer is quite complex and there seem to be few one-size- fits- all rules.
Do you have actual research citations that I can look at?
Jeff,
Please see links below. It's quite easy to find more data on this, probably because prostate cancer is so common, and its' safer to do your own research on pubmed in addition to these informal sources.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4277017/
https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/cancer-currents-blog/2018/high-fat-diet-prostate-metastasis
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9637140/
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/proceedings-of-the-nutrition-society/article/diet-insulinlike-growth-factor1-and-cancer-risk/DB006BA4B70E896E51DA23BA96A740BB
Both a high fat diet and elevated IGF-1 seem to be something to avoid in this type of Ca. There is no "official" agreed-upon diet for prostate Ca, but it would make sense to avoid eating a lot of fat, other than fish/krill oil/olive oil, and due to the IGF-1 connection, eating less dairy and meat. OTOH trans-vaccinic acid in meat has been found to have benefits against cancer cells https://biologicalsciences.uchicago.edu/news/tva-nutrient-cancer-immunity but it's not clear whether it outweighs the risk in cancer where the research has shown a connection to IGF-1.
I disagree with the first study completely, which concludes in very uncertain terms. We know that sugar is cancer food, and a modified keto diet is an effective way to reduce said sugars. You may if you are worried about these questionable studies increase protein and reduce fats, but I would not.
Second study is complete nonsense.
Third study is about IGF-1 and a keto diets REDUCE IGF-1.
Fourth link also is nothing to do with keto diet, and again keto diets REDUCE IGF-1.
So you basically have no clue what you are advising here.
I could break down the studies in fine granular fashion, but I won't given time constraints.
Cut out the carbs and sugars, and get on a keto diet.
There are SO many reasons to cut out carbs and sugar besides cancer. Read Dr Lustig's book Metabolical for a detailed but not overly technical explanation.
I am not advising anything at all, I am merely discussing a topic by responding to a direct question. I am not trying to convince you or anyone else, and have no horse in the fight.
The links I posted were, as mentioned, mere examples, and there is abundant literature on the postulated connection e.g. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-12298-z
The question is not about a specific study but about the metabolic flexibility of cancer. Not all cancers at all times metabolize sugars primarily through the Warburg reaction, and it is prudent for actual cancer patients whose life is on the line to look up the metabolic profile of their particular type. Even within a single tumor there may be cells with several different mutations, so there seems to be very little uniformity when it comes to cancer.
Over and out.
Don't forget to consider methylene blue per this great info from Dr Ana!
https://anamihalceamdphd.substack.com/p/methylene-blue-a-phenomenal-anti?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
Be very very careful with methylene blue, as most of it is highly impure, and the science on it is at best sketchy.
I'm new to it so definitely open to any useful details. As I understand it, it's important to get pharmaceutical grade, which I believe is USP. (?)
I've perused the book by Mark Sloan and just ordered it.
I didn't see your comment.
I left my own comment above.
I linked some abstracts about the anti-cancer properties of Meth Blue.
Thanks for sharing these!
Can you please provide the dose of fenbendazole that you generally use for cancer?
See Joe Tippens protocol on mycancerstory.rocks or on Facebook
Or on his blog of the same name.
Thank you
Good luck!
Any chance you could share your entire regimen? I have pancan and I want to hit it with everything I can so your share would help a lot xx
I am just a cancer patient, and I donтАЩt think that it would be right. I encourage everyone to read the books and peruse the Facebook pages for Joe Tippens protocol. But there are hundreds of such тАЬprotocolsтАЭ. I think a lot of them are stupid, but I try to keep an open mind due to the fact that weтАЩre all cancer patients.
IтАЩm perusing a lot too including the Joe Tippens story. It all gets so confusing with what you should or shouldnтАЩt do. So I keep taking bits of which makes sense to me (IтАЩm an industrial chemist by trade). You can tell some of the protocols are just designed to get you to buy more supplements. Plenty of FB groups like that pushing their own brand but not being upfront about it. Being able to DM someone like you would be of great value though Idk if thatтАЩs possible. At least not through this app
For the JTP, I do not take the cannabis oil. Most of the other supplements are pretty widely accepted as safe, such as anti-inflammatory ones, e.g. curcumin, baby aspirin, Vit. C and D3, etc. My impression from most of the Facebook groups is that many cancer patients are extremely desperate to try ANYTHING. I am sympathetic, but some of these protocols ("pathways") are too complicated to follow, even for a scientist. This is why I have made my peace with JTP, moderate keto diet, and basic supplements.
Thank you, FinemRespice, for sharing your story with us. You give me hope that my 92-year-old mother, just diagnosed with Lymphoma, can receive effective treatment that is much less jarring than traditional chemo offerings that are so highly toxic. OneтАЩs quality of life is everything!