The issue (IMO) is not whether one will survive cancer. Some do, some do not. But as far as I can tell, all current Standard of Care (SOC) drugs are experimental and can destroy your body and immune system, or even give you other cancers. I want to live as well as I can until I can't.
The issue (IMO) is not whether one will survive cancer. Some do, some do not. But as far as I can tell, all current Standard of Care (SOC) drugs are experimental and can destroy your body and immune system, or even give you other cancers. I want to live as well as I can until I can't.
Check out Dr. Marik's excellent new book: Cancer Care: The Role of Repurposed Drugs and Metabolic Interventions in Treating Cancer Paperback – August 14, 2023 by Paul E Marik (Author)
It’s a great compilation. My only criticism would be his emphasis on the ketogenic diet. Some cancers, eg prostate cancer, use fat as their primary source of nutrition (at least if they haven’t been pushed into a different adaptation) and approaching that through a ketogenic diet might lead you in the wrong direction.
So sorry you had this experience! I agree with you completely. Women's physiology tends to be more sensitive to signals of starvation (fasting) and carbohydrate limitation (ketogenic diets), but that said, I've seen examples of young men ruin their hormonal training through undereating and overtraining. I got myself out of a similar hole by increasing caloric intake by eating "intuitively"(including carbs) for a while. There was some temporary slight weight gain, just a couple of punds, and then the metabolism stabilized. Never regained full thyroid health, though, and still respond with signifiacant decrease in thyroid hormone conversion if I go on a keto diet for some reason.
You would be best served to go on a keto diet. I do not agree with the previous comment. Sugar/glucose is critical to remove, especially during your treatment cycle.
Please do not believe everything you read in the comments section here.
Please see links below. It's quite easy to find more data on this, probably because prostate cancer is so common, and its' safer to do your own research on pubmed in addition to these informal sources.
Both a high fat diet and elevated IGF-1 seem to be something to avoid in this type of Ca. There is no "official" agreed-upon diet for prostate Ca, but it would make sense to avoid eating a lot of fat, other than fish/krill oil/olive oil, and due to the IGF-1 connection, eating less dairy and meat. OTOH trans-vaccinic acid in meat has been found to have benefits against cancer cells https://biologicalsciences.uchicago.edu/news/tva-nutrient-cancer-immunity but it's not clear whether it outweighs the risk in cancer where the research has shown a connection to IGF-1.
I disagree with the first study completely, which concludes in very uncertain terms. We know that sugar is cancer food, and a modified keto diet is an effective way to reduce said sugars. You may if you are worried about these questionable studies increase protein and reduce fats, but I would not.
Second study is complete nonsense.
Third study is about IGF-1 and a keto diets REDUCE IGF-1.
Fourth link also is nothing to do with keto diet, and again keto diets REDUCE IGF-1.
So you basically have no clue what you are advising here.
I could break down the studies in fine granular fashion, but I won't given time constraints.
Cut out the carbs and sugars, and get on a keto diet.
There are SO many reasons to cut out carbs and sugar besides cancer. Read Dr Lustig's book Metabolical for a detailed but not overly technical explanation.
If one is healthy and trains hard (lifting heavy weights as i do), you need clean and healthy carbs. A strict keto diet lowers testosterone, so it's not black and white.
I am not advising anything at all, I am merely discussing a topic by responding to a direct question. I am not trying to convince you or anyone else, and have no horse in the fight.
The question is not about a specific study but about the metabolic flexibility of cancer. Not all cancers at all times metabolize sugars primarily through the Warburg reaction, and it is prudent for actual cancer patients whose life is on the line to look up the metabolic profile of their particular type. Even within a single tumor there may be cells with several different mutations, so there seems to be very little uniformity when it comes to cancer.
The issue (IMO) is not whether one will survive cancer. Some do, some do not. But as far as I can tell, all current Standard of Care (SOC) drugs are experimental and can destroy your body and immune system, or even give you other cancers. I want to live as well as I can until I can't.
Check out Dr. Marik's excellent new book: Cancer Care: The Role of Repurposed Drugs and Metabolic Interventions in Treating Cancer Paperback – August 14, 2023 by Paul E Marik (Author)
Already have read it.
It’s a great compilation. My only criticism would be his emphasis on the ketogenic diet. Some cancers, eg prostate cancer, use fat as their primary source of nutrition (at least if they haven’t been pushed into a different adaptation) and approaching that through a ketogenic diet might lead you in the wrong direction.
So sorry you had this experience! I agree with you completely. Women's physiology tends to be more sensitive to signals of starvation (fasting) and carbohydrate limitation (ketogenic diets), but that said, I've seen examples of young men ruin their hormonal training through undereating and overtraining. I got myself out of a similar hole by increasing caloric intake by eating "intuitively"(including carbs) for a while. There was some temporary slight weight gain, just a couple of punds, and then the metabolism stabilized. Never regained full thyroid health, though, and still respond with signifiacant decrease in thyroid hormone conversion if I go on a keto diet for some reason.
You would be best served to go on a keto diet. I do not agree with the previous comment. Sugar/glucose is critical to remove, especially during your treatment cycle.
Please do not believe everything you read in the comments section here.
You might want to look a little deeper. Cancer is quite complex and there seem to be few one-size- fits- all rules.
Do you have actual research citations that I can look at?
Please see my reply to Jeff above.
Jeff,
Please see links below. It's quite easy to find more data on this, probably because prostate cancer is so common, and its' safer to do your own research on pubmed in addition to these informal sources.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4277017/
https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/cancer-currents-blog/2018/high-fat-diet-prostate-metastasis
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9637140/
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/proceedings-of-the-nutrition-society/article/diet-insulinlike-growth-factor1-and-cancer-risk/DB006BA4B70E896E51DA23BA96A740BB
Both a high fat diet and elevated IGF-1 seem to be something to avoid in this type of Ca. There is no "official" agreed-upon diet for prostate Ca, but it would make sense to avoid eating a lot of fat, other than fish/krill oil/olive oil, and due to the IGF-1 connection, eating less dairy and meat. OTOH trans-vaccinic acid in meat has been found to have benefits against cancer cells https://biologicalsciences.uchicago.edu/news/tva-nutrient-cancer-immunity but it's not clear whether it outweighs the risk in cancer where the research has shown a connection to IGF-1.
I disagree with the first study completely, which concludes in very uncertain terms. We know that sugar is cancer food, and a modified keto diet is an effective way to reduce said sugars. You may if you are worried about these questionable studies increase protein and reduce fats, but I would not.
Second study is complete nonsense.
Third study is about IGF-1 and a keto diets REDUCE IGF-1.
Fourth link also is nothing to do with keto diet, and again keto diets REDUCE IGF-1.
So you basically have no clue what you are advising here.
I could break down the studies in fine granular fashion, but I won't given time constraints.
Cut out the carbs and sugars, and get on a keto diet.
There are SO many reasons to cut out carbs and sugar besides cancer. Read Dr Lustig's book Metabolical for a detailed but not overly technical explanation.
If one is healthy and trains hard (lifting heavy weights as i do), you need clean and healthy carbs. A strict keto diet lowers testosterone, so it's not black and white.
I meant to say "processed food" carbs. Really I eat a "whole foods" diet, most of which I prepare myself.
I am not advising anything at all, I am merely discussing a topic by responding to a direct question. I am not trying to convince you or anyone else, and have no horse in the fight.
The links I posted were, as mentioned, mere examples, and there is abundant literature on the postulated connection e.g. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-12298-z
The question is not about a specific study but about the metabolic flexibility of cancer. Not all cancers at all times metabolize sugars primarily through the Warburg reaction, and it is prudent for actual cancer patients whose life is on the line to look up the metabolic profile of their particular type. Even within a single tumor there may be cells with several different mutations, so there seems to be very little uniformity when it comes to cancer.
Over and out.
Best of luck! Be sure to check out Jane McLelland’a work (book and online course).
Btw, Jane is the person whose work inspired Marik.