As many of you are aware, Steve Kirsch likes to throw out large bets on all things “vaccine.” Last week I wrote an article on how Steve, despite doing excellent work for our cause, is completely blind and in denial when it comes to the fact that the “vaccines” are deliberate slow kill bioweapons.
Steve's goal is to entertain his audience with his alt-celerity status, NOT to wake anyone up to any real scientific method. Otherwise he would take the $1 million dollars, rent/buy some 4k camcorders, and use a microscope to place vaccine vial contents on a slide and view it. (record with separate microscope camera what you are looking at. And do all of this on camera). And there can be some variations of this such as adding animal, tissue samples or even some other living culture and see how the vaccine interacts with these things.
That is ONE straightforward example of following a scientific method to attempt to independently verify claims of what the jab might do. Instead of "You should just trust what I say because I'm willing to put $1 million bet on it."
Definitely agree. My question, do they have that (friendly fire infighting) with Dr. Malone suing the Breggins for a tremendous amount of money? My follow up question is, what side is Dr. Malone really on? I question that for a few others too, like Russell Brand who apparently has been friends with schwab's little boy, harari.
I've thought so. Malone's behavior is quite strange. Do you have evidence? I read one article about his connection to someone who is tied to wef but I can't remember who he is and why. Dr. Breggin also mentioned in a video how Malone is still tied to some agencies. https://rumble.com/v1jn8xy-doctor-robert-malone-.html Malone is often heard stating that there should be no divide but he caused a huge divide regarding the Breggins. It's very strange. https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/what-is-dr-robert-malones-game/
Russell Brand is another confusing one. I guess that's what they want for controlled opposition. He interviewed Vandana Shiva one time and was agreeing with what she was saying but then apparently she is tied to a group created by the rockefellers called the club of rome https://developmenteducation.ie/resource/vandana-shiva-the-lunacy-of-economic-growth/. I had thought she was an incredible person from having watched videos of her speaking against gates and monsanto even prior to all this insanity unfolding. Now I don't know. It's all so weird.
Russell Brand also had Jeffrey Sachs, who is apparently also controlled opposition, on his show. In comments, people who is awe of sachs. Clearly they don't know how dangerous he is.
1. Malone's wife (he describes her as a key partner in his work) continues to list Bill Gates, Justin Trudeau and Richard Branson as key influencers on her on her linked-in page.
2. Russell Brand openly displays Luciferian imagery. Joe Rogan, Del Bigtree, and Dr. David Martin also have weird Luciferian symbols and associations too by the way.
3. I don't know much about Vandana Shiva - but yes your link is disturbing: "Vandana Shiva is an Indian environmental and civil rights activist and winner of the Alternative Nobel Prize, chairman of the International Forum on Globalization, a member of the Club of Rome and of the Executive Committee of the World Future Council."
The world is filled with false prophets and they surround us with lies. I recommend sticking with Jesus as your guide :-) - that way you do not need to try and figure out which leaders to trust and follow and risk making a mistake.
can we trust anyone who is a public figure as honest and true? perhaps we should trust only ourselves. I'm always suspicious of those who get to say and do anything they please and still hold on to their careers and positions of making big money.
WOW - how can this be proven to be true. I suspect ALL those who don't get censored, who can say whatever they please, can act like dissidents and bash gov't and gov't agencies, and NEVER get their careers bashed and destroyed most likely ARE CO, which is very sad indeed.
I've thought about that too. How are those people safe? How are they able to go about and travel and not be harmed by these monsters while others are? It's very strange. All of it. Also, just the other day I saw a Russell Brand video and in the background was a hand statue of some sort with the pointer and pinky fingers sticking up which I believe is the sign of the devil (I'm not sure). I read that he dated a goldsmith/rothschild in 2009 or so. How did he get to that level to be dating a member of one of the wealthiest families?
I wonder about Dr. David Martin as well. He says some strange things. He said the Catholic Church and the pope are behind all of this and have been for centuries so why are people always blaming the rothschilds? Actually, it's a combo of the catholic church, the pope, the rothschild's and others behind all of this. That was surprising. He has also said that we don't have DNA. That that's a hoax yet he talks about viruses having RNA and entering the cells. I don't think you can have RNA and not have DNA. Plus, he's got strange freemason like symbolism in his corporate logo and I think a tattoo as well. It's just all so bizarre.
let's face it. they're all questionable. some more so than others. this entire narradigm is creepy filled with negative and positive energy. I'd say go with your gut and question EVERYTHING and EVERYBODY. I agree with all you said Debra. That's why I take all these outfront verbal chatty characters with a grain of salt and I throw that grain over my shoulder. I keep listening, researching and gathering info so I can come to my own conclusions. I do think the planet is run by self professed superior bloodlines, perhaps alien/hybrids, who knows, and the planet is run by those superior bloodlines' as their personal empire. I've always questionwd this bazaar but stunningly beautiful place we all call home. My ?'s have always been: what is this place, how did I get here, what am I doing here and what is my purpose? This life seems very staged to me and always has. By that I mean, set up for all of us to act, think, behave, feel and believe in certain ways as part of the hive mind collective - but those ways are controlled and keep us from our natural state of being, our authentic selves with a higher consciousnes that's been deliberately dumbed down since birth by all the rules and regulations that people follow blindly. This life seems fake and controlled with a lot of who ha that's made up by those who run the planet as their personal empire, who it seems, are NOT very bright. Otherwise, they never would have given us the internet to communicate with on a global scale to one another. So hold on tight, take one day at time, be prepared for almost anything, and as Gerald Celente has said for the longest time, to think: guns, gold and a get away plan. Only I really don't know where he's planning on going since it seems everything, everywhere and everyone in power are all corrupted. I'm just hoping this ends well for our children and our grandchildren and they can live in peace here that makes sense! Having nukes pointed in all directions ready to annihilate everyone and everything is insane. I'm secretly hoping there are really no nuclear weapons and that those in power tell us there are nukes everywhere mainly to scare the shit out of us. That is what these cretins are best at. Scaring the crap out of everyone with all sorts of wrecklessness that keeps us subdued and controlled. It really should be the other way, with us rolling out the guillotines and us carrying pitchforks everywhere!
1. On multiple occasions when Steve's $1M debate offers were rejected I suggested that he instead use the 1M to hire a team of social media experts who could direct a team of anti vaxxer volunteers to bombard mainstream platforms with discussions of people who were maimed or killed by the Rat Juice (but not acknowledging the Rat Juice) and confront them... absolutely bombard them day after day after day....
Crickets.
2. More recently I have suggested Steve take a few dollars (surely 20k would get it done) and hire a PI to find out if Tiffany Dover is dead or alive. If she is dead then that would throw a major wrench into the wheelworks of the covid con.
Crickets.
And it now appears he will not debate you - that is priceless!
Is his role to twirl a string in front of the kittens and keep them occupied on SS - and away from the real purpose of the Rat Juice (extermination). Steve's role may be to promote the false narratives that the Rat Juice is all about $$$ and control.
If so they any discussion of the DOD's involvement would be off limits. That would open the Pandora's Box --- clearly if the DOD are behind this it is a much bigger that $$$... it is an attack on the population (extermination).
Keep this in mind:
1. They know leaky vaccines deployed during pandemics are a no-no --- they cause mutations (and we run the risk of a Marek's level mutation)
2. They know the leaky vaccines do not stop transmission, hospitalization or death (the more you take the more you run those risks)
3. They insist on an endless series of boosters... and Paxlovid (fuel on the mutation fire)
4. And lets not forget -- Covid is basically like the flu - no more lethal --- so they murdered people (as detailed by Yeadon) to drive up numbers and frighten the mob into injecting Rat Juice
Why would they do these things?
Extermination.
Steve won't go there... might it be that he --- like all govt leaders the msm gates etc... believe that extermination is necessary?
Does he believe what he is doing is a good thing? Keeping people off the scent so that the extermination plan proceeds smoothly.
They may all be playing a role occupying the anti vax community here on the designated uncensored platform for anti vaxxers...
So that they don't get no funny ideas and try to smash up the game.
And meanwhile the tractors go round and round in Holland achieving zero - but cheered on by anti vaxxers... they are our heroes right?
As I have said before --- this is like playing chess with a team of grand masters -- and they are allowed to cheat. It's impossible to figure out what is real and what is a false flag
Excellent stuff 2nd SGITW. Get right to it and stop pussy footing around. That's been my m.o. since I arrived here. We're all at different phases of a journey. Steve took the shots and then went to great lengths to publicly follow the "protocols" throwing tons of toxins into his body for something that may have been the Flu when his scam PCR or antigen test came back "positive". He's still a seafarer but he's arriving to the forest quickly. I give him credit for using his tremendous platform to wake people up and get them going on their journey to the mountain top, where everything is clear.
Nothing wrong with it, show the world this is how healthy democracies should be doing things. Unlike the UK parliament who branded Andrew Bridgen anti-semitic for likening the covid vaccine holocaust to the Jewish holocaust. Perfectly reasonable analogy. I also saw Steve Kirsch's acolytes swarm around Mathew Crawford attacking him in most unpleasant fashion. That sort of behaviour is not going to help our mission.
At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you ahead of time.
I tell you one thing though. When the false Messiahs show up sporting Luciferian symbols tattooed all over their bodies, and in their logos and are members of new age cults then they're not so hard to spot.
Not that I'm likely to be one of the elect though - I fear I'm signed up for the full duration :-)
The love the MRNA for sure but depopulation? pharma wants illness and intervention, sickness and pill. They need sickness to sell the remedies. The military wants to kill people so they need assets. They also need defensive countermeasures. If some supra government group wants to depopulate or modify humanity just because they want to do that, we would need a leadership -decision -action chain of events. I have not seen anybody produce anything like that so far.
I think there is evidence of a fairly long running plan for depopulation - at least as far as Kissinger's infamous report written in the mid-70s and declassified in the 80s and of course the equally infamous "Limits to Growth" from the club of Rome.
Kissinger explicitly refers to implementing "measures to reduce fertility" for example - and - as if by magic - exactly at that time fertility rates which had been rising in every country in the world invert and beginning heading downward.
And the UN has plenty of stuff on its web-site regarding population planning - they have a plan for every country in the world including planned rates of immigration from the third world to Western countries to replace the declining native populations.
Less "official" of course you have the handful of people who are on record (Alex Jones, the woman on Jesse Ventura's show from fifteen years or so ago, and more recently Claudia from cabintalk back in fall 2019) predicting the use of mass vaccines as a response to a fake pandemic to achieve this goal based on claims of insider knowledge of some sort. The sort of thing you would write off as nonsense except that they turned out to be correct in a great many details.
That’s the problem, isn’t it? Do we really need more data and analysis presented to show the bioweapon nature of the shots?
No, we don’t. The totality of the evidence is overwhelming.
But gathering more evidence is “safe”.
It’s the follow up course of actual action that is too frightening and absolutely fraught with danger that keeps those like Steve in the “investigation” stage.
“The future’s uncertain and the end is always near.”
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I so much appreciate Steve's openness to learning - and yours to reaching out to him. If we can listen and debate, so much amazing good stuff is possible. Thank you and thank you, Steve.
Mr Kirsch is quite slick with his limited hangout. My comment sums up why this is more PR marketing than an honest attempt at using the scientific method
Pseudouridine - an agent used in the stabilization of mRNA - has long been known to have a direct NEGATIVE impact on the myocardial tissue. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7255589/ and its references). Ralph Baric knew this. Other mRNA engineers knew this. How do I know and why should the FAA and pilots' union care?
Because this was funded by NIH:
"This research was supported by the National Institute on Aging as well as the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute of the National Institutes of Health under grant numbers R21AG051914 (Principal Investigator, Tanika N. Kelly), 5R01AG041200-05 (Principal Investigator, Lydia A. Bazzano), and P20GM109036 (Principal Investigator, Jiang He)"
Also, I just want to add here that legally these mRNA "vaccines" are not bioweapons proper since they do not have live attenuated or dead virions, but, rather, chemical weapons. This would be an important distinction if we do in fact have our debate with Steve. I use the term "bioweapon" because it has nicer ring to it.
Here's hoping Steve goes through with our debate -- it would benefit our movement tremendously.
After taking the uninjectable poison there has to be a Come-to-Jesus moment of realizing those jabs cannot be undone:
- hot lots
- unlisted ingredients, impurities, adjuvants
For some it will be a bridge too far, too much to process, the stuff of psychotic breaks.
People have been going to their graves saying "it would have been worse without the jabs"
Takes serious courage (or strong Faith) to face SADS squarely and fight back with every ounce of strength and honesty rather than fading quietly into the deathfold of the "useless eaters".
I don’t see how he could debate anyone because he doesn’t have any facts to support his theory that there is no genocide involved! But it’s an excellent idea and I hope it happens!
I think it is okay for Mr. Kirsch to stick with theories he can better demonstrate to typical skull full of mush citizens. People have to cross the "they don't mind killing us" bridge before they can come to the "they want us all dead" bridge.
Steve has been shouting from the rooftops that these experimental injections are killing people, and continue to kill, weeks and months after receiving them. That's the most important message to get out to the public. What difference does it make whether the killing is due to greed and speed of development or whether they were designed to kill? Either way, the public needs to know that these injections are deadly. The problem with going all in on "they were deliberately designed to kill" is that that would be very difficult to prove AND--and this is important!--very difficult to convince the public that the shots were designed to kill people. It's hard enough convincing them that they are deadly, but if you throw "it's deliberate, the shots were DESIGNED to kill" into the mix, people respond with "crazy tinfoil conspiracy theorist" and walk away. I say let's stick to what can be clearly shown with the mountain of evidence that we have. Maybe it will come out that the design of the shots was to create a slow kill, but we can tackle that once the majority of the public finally opens their eyes to how deadly these shots really are.
I don’t think it’s difficult at all to show the vaxxines were designed to kill. But, you’re correct that is way too far out in front (at present) for the sheeple to contemplate.
Agreed. People can only absorb so much at once. If they saw the full nightmare they would not want to believe it regardless of evidence, it is too horrific and they would run away.
This seems to me a “technicality.” He is on the correct side of history, if not originally calling this genocide. I hope he keeps his money to keep on fighting for humanity.
Dr Bailey (Virus Mania) and Christine Massey that does the FOIAs about Sars-Cov-2 and other viruses have attempted to reach out to Kirsch and he initially engaged them, and then ghosted them entirely.
What do all 3 have in common? They either debunked germ theory entirely, or had integrity in sharing their research. They had nothing to gain by playing both sides. Kirsch has no SCIENTIFIC reason to use money as a ruse to debate people.....except perhaps to convince a public who assumes only rich people have common sense and/or research skills that they should just believe what a rich man says to pay attention to.
Some of the best limited hangouts give you some truth, but serve as a distraction from the larger wins (E.g. what's in the vial? How accurate can Covid "case" stats be with the current (and historical) PCR testing methods? Why did CDC recommend marking death certificates a dying OF covid-19....let alone as a primary cause of death?)
I am open to the possibility of germ theory being bunk, but I have a load of questions that I would like to ask someone in that camp and for the time being I am still in the germ theory camp.
The adenovirus vectors for example. We are able to manipulate a virus enough that it will produce the spike protein as expected. Is that explainable by other means?
Like any belief, it is your choice to attach or not. Even if you do BELIEVE in germ theory, you still need to show that the entity you call virus
- can be isolated completely from any other material
- fully isolated virus can then be applied to another host in a way that mimics nature (e.g. use a brush or aerial spray and spray these isolated virus particles
- observe the symptoms that occur.
And of course document the whole procedure, including the controls used (e.g. the group of people/animals given placebo or no alleged virus exposure).
Not just the virologist simply pointing to something on a photo and declaring [with an arrow] "this is a [name] virus" among a bunch of other material in the "isolate" fluid.
No live virus actually meets this definition to date, including the alleged rhinovirus mentioned in your article. There is a 16 min video that summarizes the scientific "method" regarding how viruses are actually declared viruses: https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/the-truth-about-viruses:a
Toxicity does not require any virus particles used to explain itself. Food/water/air quality, sunlight, and other stressors...particularly the "nocebo effect". And other environmental factors.
I'm new to all of this virus stuff (layperson's speak - lol). If there are no viruses, what are people being infected by and what are their body's reacting to? I'm not a scientist of any kind so I'm wanting to understand. What would the common cold be then?
A separate perspective from someone who has researched health for over a decade. Humans drinking the milk of another animal isn't a good thing. It's also very acidic and the body doesn't need it.
You are 100%! IG Farben is responsible for the chemical poison in WWII-Zyklon B. Think they stopped? Of course not. They probably just changed their name and their shtick.
This is all good info for many who are not informed of the lies that have been marketing and pushed upon us. People should read William Engdahl's articles and watch his videos too. He's researched the rockefellers since the '70s. He ended up with polio due to their polio vaccine from what I understand. He wrote a book about how the rockefellers are behind the gmo scam. And, there's a lot of info about igfarben and bayer played a huge role in WWII along with many famous families including the bushes that so many love. The same players just keep trying to destroy humanity and other animals (and doing it successfully) forever to line their own pockets and apparently enjoy watching any type of being suffer.
I've been researching holistic health for over a decade and know a lot of what you're referring to since when researching health you end up finding these horrible monsters who are trying to destroy health.
I just simply wanted to understand what causes people to get a basic cold and how they would get it from someone else. And, what that would be considered if not a virus? I've never found that out.
I get the "not fully isolated" line as well, but that doesn't go any way to explaining the two points I raised. How would you explain the ferrets "transmitting" through a filter too small for bacteria?
Agreed. There is no way someone like me has a million dollars to bet him, even if I had the evidence to prove him wrong. Though I do appreciate his work in bringing a lot of the vaccine dangers to light.
I'd say that your and Steve's proclivity to insult anyone with an opposing view is on par with each other. But we really don't need truthers pissing all over eachother.
I read both you and Steve and appreciate you both. With a goal of medical freedom and transparency about what is going on many doctors are failing and we need to correct this and eliminate medical mandates permanently.
Steve has written in a comment "Sasha is correct", referencing Sasha Latypova, although he did not concede that Katherine Watt is similarly correct. I think you're right that Steve has the moral and intellectual integrity to mull this over and is prepared to change his mind given enough evidence.
I really like Steve Kirsch and you, and I look forward to both your substacks. You are both working so hard to bring the truth to light of what has happened to us. You are both smart, decent men whom I greatly admire. Please don't bet each other for money. Just engage in a thoughtful, respectful discussion so that we can learn more.
Great idea, great work, if not Steve, then someone else should take the other side, even if onboard, so the issues could be hashed out live and people could see them spoken of and challenged and rebutted and the dialectic can come back to life. Bless you, Leland
518-567-4452 rll@fund-balance.com by the way, if near new york we need folks like you to come to this meeting with the NYS Public Health Planning Council. Can you send someone? Everyone has three minutes to comment on each agenda item (usually three) and we could do a press conference for fuller treatment.
Note: there is absolutely ZERO divide and conquer in this debate.
I respect Steve's work very much.
This debate would bring tremendous eyeballs to our cause.
Steve's goal is to entertain his audience with his alt-celerity status, NOT to wake anyone up to any real scientific method. Otherwise he would take the $1 million dollars, rent/buy some 4k camcorders, and use a microscope to place vaccine vial contents on a slide and view it. (record with separate microscope camera what you are looking at. And do all of this on camera). And there can be some variations of this such as adding animal, tissue samples or even some other living culture and see how the vaccine interacts with these things.
That is ONE straightforward example of following a scientific method to attempt to independently verify claims of what the jab might do. Instead of "You should just trust what I say because I'm willing to put $1 million bet on it."
Unfortunately the naysayers would cite "chain of custody issues".
He is likely a false actor who's purpose is to entertain the anti vaxxers so that they don't get any wild and crazy pitch fork ideas.
In a way he protects the anti vaxxers cuz pitch fork action would end badly as the anti terrorist squads are standing by
Or do very convincing blood sample work and analysis of the vaxxed to show the blood markers in real-time damage and coming calamity.
I was about to comment what “they” would love so dearly is a spot of friendly fire infighting amongst team human.
Definitely agree. My question, do they have that (friendly fire infighting) with Dr. Malone suing the Breggins for a tremendous amount of money? My follow up question is, what side is Dr. Malone really on? I question that for a few others too, like Russell Brand who apparently has been friends with schwab's little boy, harari.
Malone and BRAND are CO -
I've thought so. Malone's behavior is quite strange. Do you have evidence? I read one article about his connection to someone who is tied to wef but I can't remember who he is and why. Dr. Breggin also mentioned in a video how Malone is still tied to some agencies. https://rumble.com/v1jn8xy-doctor-robert-malone-.html Malone is often heard stating that there should be no divide but he caused a huge divide regarding the Breggins. It's very strange. https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/what-is-dr-robert-malones-game/
Russell Brand is another confusing one. I guess that's what they want for controlled opposition. He interviewed Vandana Shiva one time and was agreeing with what she was saying but then apparently she is tied to a group created by the rockefellers called the club of rome https://developmenteducation.ie/resource/vandana-shiva-the-lunacy-of-economic-growth/. I had thought she was an incredible person from having watched videos of her speaking against gates and monsanto even prior to all this insanity unfolding. Now I don't know. It's all so weird.
Russell Brand also had Jeffrey Sachs, who is apparently also controlled opposition, on his show. In comments, people who is awe of sachs. Clearly they don't know how dangerous he is.
1. Malone's wife (he describes her as a key partner in his work) continues to list Bill Gates, Justin Trudeau and Richard Branson as key influencers on her on her linked-in page.
2. Russell Brand openly displays Luciferian imagery. Joe Rogan, Del Bigtree, and Dr. David Martin also have weird Luciferian symbols and associations too by the way.
3. I don't know much about Vandana Shiva - but yes your link is disturbing: "Vandana Shiva is an Indian environmental and civil rights activist and winner of the Alternative Nobel Prize, chairman of the International Forum on Globalization, a member of the Club of Rome and of the Executive Committee of the World Future Council."
The world is filled with false prophets and they surround us with lies. I recommend sticking with Jesus as your guide :-) - that way you do not need to try and figure out which leaders to trust and follow and risk making a mistake.
I love Jesus too. Praying He gives insight and wisdom for discerning what's truth vs. lies.
can we trust anyone who is a public figure as honest and true? perhaps we should trust only ourselves. I'm always suspicious of those who get to say and do anything they please and still hold on to their careers and positions of making big money.
Sounds like paranoia to me.
Vananda Shiva is the nicest person on the planet.
WOW - how can this be proven to be true. I suspect ALL those who don't get censored, who can say whatever they please, can act like dissidents and bash gov't and gov't agencies, and NEVER get their careers bashed and destroyed most likely ARE CO, which is very sad indeed.
I've thought about that too. How are those people safe? How are they able to go about and travel and not be harmed by these monsters while others are? It's very strange. All of it. Also, just the other day I saw a Russell Brand video and in the background was a hand statue of some sort with the pointer and pinky fingers sticking up which I believe is the sign of the devil (I'm not sure). I read that he dated a goldsmith/rothschild in 2009 or so. How did he get to that level to be dating a member of one of the wealthiest families?
I wonder about Dr. David Martin as well. He says some strange things. He said the Catholic Church and the pope are behind all of this and have been for centuries so why are people always blaming the rothschilds? Actually, it's a combo of the catholic church, the pope, the rothschild's and others behind all of this. That was surprising. He has also said that we don't have DNA. That that's a hoax yet he talks about viruses having RNA and entering the cells. I don't think you can have RNA and not have DNA. Plus, he's got strange freemason like symbolism in his corporate logo and I think a tattoo as well. It's just all so bizarre.
let's face it. they're all questionable. some more so than others. this entire narradigm is creepy filled with negative and positive energy. I'd say go with your gut and question EVERYTHING and EVERYBODY. I agree with all you said Debra. That's why I take all these outfront verbal chatty characters with a grain of salt and I throw that grain over my shoulder. I keep listening, researching and gathering info so I can come to my own conclusions. I do think the planet is run by self professed superior bloodlines, perhaps alien/hybrids, who knows, and the planet is run by those superior bloodlines' as their personal empire. I've always questionwd this bazaar but stunningly beautiful place we all call home. My ?'s have always been: what is this place, how did I get here, what am I doing here and what is my purpose? This life seems very staged to me and always has. By that I mean, set up for all of us to act, think, behave, feel and believe in certain ways as part of the hive mind collective - but those ways are controlled and keep us from our natural state of being, our authentic selves with a higher consciousnes that's been deliberately dumbed down since birth by all the rules and regulations that people follow blindly. This life seems fake and controlled with a lot of who ha that's made up by those who run the planet as their personal empire, who it seems, are NOT very bright. Otherwise, they never would have given us the internet to communicate with on a global scale to one another. So hold on tight, take one day at time, be prepared for almost anything, and as Gerald Celente has said for the longest time, to think: guns, gold and a get away plan. Only I really don't know where he's planning on going since it seems everything, everywhere and everyone in power are all corrupted. I'm just hoping this ends well for our children and our grandchildren and they can live in peace here that makes sense! Having nukes pointed in all directions ready to annihilate everyone and everything is insane. I'm secretly hoping there are really no nuclear weapons and that those in power tell us there are nukes everywhere mainly to scare the shit out of us. That is what these cretins are best at. Scaring the crap out of everyone with all sorts of wrecklessness that keeps us subdued and controlled. It really should be the other way, with us rolling out the guillotines and us carrying pitchforks everywhere!
Maybe... Steve is a false actor....
Consider:
1. On multiple occasions when Steve's $1M debate offers were rejected I suggested that he instead use the 1M to hire a team of social media experts who could direct a team of anti vaxxer volunteers to bombard mainstream platforms with discussions of people who were maimed or killed by the Rat Juice (but not acknowledging the Rat Juice) and confront them... absolutely bombard them day after day after day....
Crickets.
2. More recently I have suggested Steve take a few dollars (surely 20k would get it done) and hire a PI to find out if Tiffany Dover is dead or alive. If she is dead then that would throw a major wrench into the wheelworks of the covid con.
Crickets.
And it now appears he will not debate you - that is priceless!
Is his role to twirl a string in front of the kittens and keep them occupied on SS - and away from the real purpose of the Rat Juice (extermination). Steve's role may be to promote the false narratives that the Rat Juice is all about $$$ and control.
If so they any discussion of the DOD's involvement would be off limits. That would open the Pandora's Box --- clearly if the DOD are behind this it is a much bigger that $$$... it is an attack on the population (extermination).
Keep this in mind:
1. They know leaky vaccines deployed during pandemics are a no-no --- they cause mutations (and we run the risk of a Marek's level mutation)
2. They know the leaky vaccines do not stop transmission, hospitalization or death (the more you take the more you run those risks)
3. They insist on an endless series of boosters... and Paxlovid (fuel on the mutation fire)
4. And lets not forget -- Covid is basically like the flu - no more lethal --- so they murdered people (as detailed by Yeadon) to drive up numbers and frighten the mob into injecting Rat Juice
Why would they do these things?
Extermination.
Steve won't go there... might it be that he --- like all govt leaders the msm gates etc... believe that extermination is necessary?
Does he believe what he is doing is a good thing? Keeping people off the scent so that the extermination plan proceeds smoothly.
They may all be playing a role occupying the anti vax community here on the designated uncensored platform for anti vaxxers...
So that they don't get no funny ideas and try to smash up the game.
And meanwhile the tractors go round and round in Holland achieving zero - but cheered on by anti vaxxers... they are our heroes right?
As I have said before --- this is like playing chess with a team of grand masters -- and they are allowed to cheat. It's impossible to figure out what is real and what is a false flag
Just sit back and enjoy the Clown World Shit Show
They are so smart but do not realize the tests are fraudulent?
Excellent stuff 2nd SGITW. Get right to it and stop pussy footing around. That's been my m.o. since I arrived here. We're all at different phases of a journey. Steve took the shots and then went to great lengths to publicly follow the "protocols" throwing tons of toxins into his body for something that may have been the Flu when his scam PCR or antigen test came back "positive". He's still a seafarer but he's arriving to the forest quickly. I give him credit for using his tremendous platform to wake people up and get them going on their journey to the mountain top, where everything is clear.
https://thegoodcitizen.substack.com/p/everything-is-clear-from-up-here
Steve is an energetic, one issue fool. Very similar to the narcissistic Alex Berenson.
Both are extreme Democrats.
Does Steve know and understand this....I hope he does...this would be very valuable....
That's the reason for debate, to share ideas, and for others to make up their mind. Divide and conquer is such a poor way to get anything achieved.
Debate is the best means of getting info out there, and there is absolutely nothing wrong w/ debating people on your side.
Nothing wrong with it, show the world this is how healthy democracies should be doing things. Unlike the UK parliament who branded Andrew Bridgen anti-semitic for likening the covid vaccine holocaust to the Jewish holocaust. Perfectly reasonable analogy. I also saw Steve Kirsch's acolytes swarm around Mathew Crawford attacking him in most unpleasant fashion. That sort of behaviour is not going to help our mission.
Thank you so much for keeping it classy. That's a big one to swallow for anyone who has personally been jabbed
I also respect Steve, but there are a few hiccups.
It is probably impossible to conduct a fair debate and to tell which side is to blame:
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/steve-kirsch-is-challenging-again
And the mass poisoning is now making the injections nearly irrelevant and a side show:
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/a-summary-of-general-poisoning
At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you ahead of time.
I tell you one thing though. When the false Messiahs show up sporting Luciferian symbols tattooed all over their bodies, and in their logos and are members of new age cults then they're not so hard to spot.
Not that I'm likely to be one of the elect though - I fear I'm signed up for the full duration :-)
The whole pharmaceutical industry depends on this. And now so do certain non-pharmaceutical interventions.
The love the MRNA for sure but depopulation? pharma wants illness and intervention, sickness and pill. They need sickness to sell the remedies. The military wants to kill people so they need assets. They also need defensive countermeasures. If some supra government group wants to depopulate or modify humanity just because they want to do that, we would need a leadership -decision -action chain of events. I have not seen anybody produce anything like that so far.
I think there is evidence of a fairly long running plan for depopulation - at least as far as Kissinger's infamous report written in the mid-70s and declassified in the 80s and of course the equally infamous "Limits to Growth" from the club of Rome.
Kissinger explicitly refers to implementing "measures to reduce fertility" for example - and - as if by magic - exactly at that time fertility rates which had been rising in every country in the world invert and beginning heading downward.
And the UN has plenty of stuff on its web-site regarding population planning - they have a plan for every country in the world including planned rates of immigration from the third world to Western countries to replace the declining native populations.
Less "official" of course you have the handful of people who are on record (Alex Jones, the woman on Jesse Ventura's show from fifteen years or so ago, and more recently Claudia from cabintalk back in fall 2019) predicting the use of mass vaccines as a response to a fake pandemic to achieve this goal based on claims of insider knowledge of some sort. The sort of thing you would write off as nonsense except that they turned out to be correct in a great many details.
don't kid yourself. eugenics is alive and kickin our butts!
Can you spell K L A U S ??
That's why I unsubscribed during his poll mania. I couldn't stand the tedium a second longer.
That’s the problem, isn’t it? Do we really need more data and analysis presented to show the bioweapon nature of the shots?
No, we don’t. The totality of the evidence is overwhelming.
But gathering more evidence is “safe”.
It’s the follow up course of actual action that is too frightening and absolutely fraught with danger that keeps those like Steve in the “investigation” stage.
“The future’s uncertain and the end is always near.”
The time for action - is at hand
Correct.
Most are cowards. Including all of Congress.
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I so much appreciate Steve's openness to learning - and yours to reaching out to him. If we can listen and debate, so much amazing good stuff is possible. Thank you and thank you, Steve.
Mr Kirsch is quite slick with his limited hangout. My comment sums up why this is more PR marketing than an honest attempt at using the scientific method
to get at the truth. https://www.2ndsmartestguyintheworld.com/p/update-steve-kirsch-is-dead-wrong/comment/12002256
When you call him a limited hangout are you saying he's controlled opposition? Just curious. I'm trying to understand why he's behaving as he is.
Well said.
Following The Science...and going where Steve Kirsch didn't go with the FAA piece...
Following the Science, which clearly states ever since I was in graduate school that a PR interval on an ECG should be between 90 and 200msec (https://www.sciencedirect.com/.../biochemistr.../pr-interval), the FAA mysteriously has suggested that an additional 100msec (up to 300msec) is given to pilots before they should be considered for potential AV-block (https://www.faa.gov/.../exam_tech/item36/amd/arrhythmias/). This change was made in October of last year! https://www.faa.gov/.../ame/guide/media/Normal_Variants.pdf
Fly Safe and Effective!
Pseudouridine - an agent used in the stabilization of mRNA - has long been known to have a direct NEGATIVE impact on the myocardial tissue. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7255589/ and its references). Ralph Baric knew this. Other mRNA engineers knew this. How do I know and why should the FAA and pilots' union care?
Because this was funded by NIH:
"This research was supported by the National Institute on Aging as well as the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute of the National Institutes of Health under grant numbers R21AG051914 (Principal Investigator, Tanika N. Kelly), 5R01AG041200-05 (Principal Investigator, Lydia A. Bazzano), and P20GM109036 (Principal Investigator, Jiang He)"
Excellent points David.
Also, I just want to add here that legally these mRNA "vaccines" are not bioweapons proper since they do not have live attenuated or dead virions, but, rather, chemical weapons. This would be an important distinction if we do in fact have our debate with Steve. I use the term "bioweapon" because it has nicer ring to it.
Here's hoping Steve goes through with our debate -- it would benefit our movement tremendously.
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He’s a slow-to-wake-up guy
Can’t we all be a bit daft?
When the facts change, we change
This is a guy that supported radical (leftist) agenda but woke up eventually. Be gracious in victory
The FRIENDLY debate would bring tremendous eyeballs to our cause.
Playing d-advocate here:
After taking the uninjectable poison there has to be a Come-to-Jesus moment of realizing those jabs cannot be undone:
- hot lots
- unlisted ingredients, impurities, adjuvants
For some it will be a bridge too far, too much to process, the stuff of psychotic breaks.
People have been going to their graves saying "it would have been worse without the jabs"
Takes serious courage (or strong Faith) to face SADS squarely and fight back with every ounce of strength and honesty rather than fading quietly into the deathfold of the "useless eaters".
I think a lot of people are never coming back from this... these are ones still masking and wearing plastic gloves... very sad
I don’t see how he could debate anyone because he doesn’t have any facts to support his theory that there is no genocide involved! But it’s an excellent idea and I hope it happens!
I think it is okay for Mr. Kirsch to stick with theories he can better demonstrate to typical skull full of mush citizens. People have to cross the "they don't mind killing us" bridge before they can come to the "they want us all dead" bridge.
Steve has been shouting from the rooftops that these experimental injections are killing people, and continue to kill, weeks and months after receiving them. That's the most important message to get out to the public. What difference does it make whether the killing is due to greed and speed of development or whether they were designed to kill? Either way, the public needs to know that these injections are deadly. The problem with going all in on "they were deliberately designed to kill" is that that would be very difficult to prove AND--and this is important!--very difficult to convince the public that the shots were designed to kill people. It's hard enough convincing them that they are deadly, but if you throw "it's deliberate, the shots were DESIGNED to kill" into the mix, people respond with "crazy tinfoil conspiracy theorist" and walk away. I say let's stick to what can be clearly shown with the mountain of evidence that we have. Maybe it will come out that the design of the shots was to create a slow kill, but we can tackle that once the majority of the public finally opens their eyes to how deadly these shots really are.
I don’t think it’s difficult at all to show the vaxxines were designed to kill. But, you’re correct that is way too far out in front (at present) for the sheeple to contemplate.
Dead is dead.
exactly!
Agreed. People can only absorb so much at once. If they saw the full nightmare they would not want to believe it regardless of evidence, it is too horrific and they would run away.
He wants you to be wrong.
We all do.
Unfortunately you appear not to be.
This seems to me a “technicality.” He is on the correct side of history, if not originally calling this genocide. I hope he keeps his money to keep on fighting for humanity.
Dr Bailey (Virus Mania) and Christine Massey that does the FOIAs about Sars-Cov-2 and other viruses have attempted to reach out to Kirsch and he initially engaged them, and then ghosted them entirely.
https://drsambailey.com/the-covid-sceptics-who-spread-viral-dogma/
https://christinemasseyfois.substack.com/p/the-real-reason-i-now-refuse-to-debate
https://drsambailey.com/warnings-signs-you-have-been-tricked-by-virologists-again/
Mathew Crawford was doing some research regarding the DMED and other related research and was on Kirsch's vaccine steering committee, but resigned due to Steve apparently not wanting to work on his own committee. https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/i/89588522/focus-on-what-is-important-fraud
edit: Ray i think also tried to engage him previously: https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/steve-kirsch-is-challenging-again
What do all 3 have in common? They either debunked germ theory entirely, or had integrity in sharing their research. They had nothing to gain by playing both sides. Kirsch has no SCIENTIFIC reason to use money as a ruse to debate people.....except perhaps to convince a public who assumes only rich people have common sense and/or research skills that they should just believe what a rich man says to pay attention to.
Some of the best limited hangouts give you some truth, but serve as a distraction from the larger wins (E.g. what's in the vial? How accurate can Covid "case" stats be with the current (and historical) PCR testing methods? Why did CDC recommend marking death certificates a dying OF covid-19....let alone as a primary cause of death?)
I am open to the possibility of germ theory being bunk, but I have a load of questions that I would like to ask someone in that camp and for the time being I am still in the germ theory camp.
The adenovirus vectors for example. We are able to manipulate a virus enough that it will produce the spike protein as expected. Is that explainable by other means?
This article here describes an experiment where ferrets we able to be contagious through a filter too small for bacteria to pass through https://trusttheevidence.substack.com/p/why-we-should-never-use-the-f-word.
Like any belief, it is your choice to attach or not. Even if you do BELIEVE in germ theory, you still need to show that the entity you call virus
- can be isolated completely from any other material
- fully isolated virus can then be applied to another host in a way that mimics nature (e.g. use a brush or aerial spray and spray these isolated virus particles
- observe the symptoms that occur.
And of course document the whole procedure, including the controls used (e.g. the group of people/animals given placebo or no alleged virus exposure).
Not just the virologist simply pointing to something on a photo and declaring [with an arrow] "this is a [name] virus" among a bunch of other material in the "isolate" fluid.
No live virus actually meets this definition to date, including the alleged rhinovirus mentioned in your article. There is a 16 min video that summarizes the scientific "method" regarding how viruses are actually declared viruses: https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/the-truth-about-viruses:a
Toxicity does not require any virus particles used to explain itself. Food/water/air quality, sunlight, and other stressors...particularly the "nocebo effect". And other environmental factors.
I'm new to all of this virus stuff (layperson's speak - lol). If there are no viruses, what are people being infected by and what are their body's reacting to? I'm not a scientist of any kind so I'm wanting to understand. What would the common cold be then?
In fairness, raw milk doesn’t keep long, 10-14 days if you keep it REALLY cold.
If you don’t kept it cold it gets stinky quickly.
That said, raw milk for the win.
A separate perspective from someone who has researched health for over a decade. Humans drinking the milk of another animal isn't a good thing. It's also very acidic and the body doesn't need it.
DEFINITELY!
💥💥WILLIAM...EXCELLENT COMMENT!💥💥
You are 100%! IG Farben is responsible for the chemical poison in WWII-Zyklon B. Think they stopped? Of course not. They probably just changed their name and their shtick.
This is all good info for many who are not informed of the lies that have been marketing and pushed upon us. People should read William Engdahl's articles and watch his videos too. He's researched the rockefellers since the '70s. He ended up with polio due to their polio vaccine from what I understand. He wrote a book about how the rockefellers are behind the gmo scam. And, there's a lot of info about igfarben and bayer played a huge role in WWII along with many famous families including the bushes that so many love. The same players just keep trying to destroy humanity and other animals (and doing it successfully) forever to line their own pockets and apparently enjoy watching any type of being suffer.
I've been researching holistic health for over a decade and know a lot of what you're referring to since when researching health you end up finding these horrible monsters who are trying to destroy health.
I just simply wanted to understand what causes people to get a basic cold and how they would get it from someone else. And, what that would be considered if not a virus? I've never found that out.
I get the "not fully isolated" line as well, but that doesn't go any way to explaining the two points I raised. How would you explain the ferrets "transmitting" through a filter too small for bacteria?
Interesting question. And, even if it's not a "virus" it would be something no matter what it's called, right?
I commented on the Crawford thing below before i read your comment. Very strange for Steve to just leave Mat hanging.
It is probably impossible to conduct a fair debate and to tell which side is to blame:
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/steve-kirsch-is-challenging-again
And the mass poisoning is now making the injections nearly irrelevant and a side show:
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/a-summary-of-general-poisoning
Steve's betting shenanigans is starting to become annoying it must be said. It is starting to mask the actual message.
Agreed. There is no way someone like me has a million dollars to bet him, even if I had the evidence to prove him wrong. Though I do appreciate his work in bringing a lot of the vaccine dangers to light.
I'd say that your and Steve's proclivity to insult anyone with an opposing view is on par with each other. But we really don't need truthers pissing all over eachother.
I read both you and Steve and appreciate you both. With a goal of medical freedom and transparency about what is going on many doctors are failing and we need to correct this and eliminate medical mandates permanently.
Steve has written in a comment "Sasha is correct", referencing Sasha Latypova, although he did not concede that Katherine Watt is similarly correct. I think you're right that Steve has the moral and intellectual integrity to mull this over and is prepared to change his mind given enough evidence.
I really like Steve Kirsch and you, and I look forward to both your substacks. You are both working so hard to bring the truth to light of what has happened to us. You are both smart, decent men whom I greatly admire. Please don't bet each other for money. Just engage in a thoughtful, respectful discussion so that we can learn more.
Great idea, great work, if not Steve, then someone else should take the other side, even if onboard, so the issues could be hashed out live and people could see them spoken of and challenged and rebutted and the dialectic can come back to life. Bless you, Leland
518-567-4452 rll@fund-balance.com by the way, if near new york we need folks like you to come to this meeting with the NYS Public Health Planning Council. Can you send someone? Everyone has three minutes to comment on each agenda item (usually three) and we could do a press conference for fuller treatment.
https://www.health.ny.gov/facilities/public_health_and_health_planning_council/2023_meeting_schedule.htm
This is the outfit that tried to ram through quarantine camps in NY and NY Governor Hochul is appealing the court case that struck it down. Help!
Here's me on the basics of the NY situation:
https://rumble.com/v25wgli-the-health-freedom-issue-has-become-the-bellwether-ny-activist-talks-laws-a.html