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2nd Smartest Guy in the World's avatar

Typos (somewhat) edited.

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pyrrhus's avatar

Israel violates every ceasefire, every treaty and every agreement...Why would anyone negotiate with them? They are run by a group of violent criminals who will stab you in the back every time...

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Bread and Circuses's avatar

Well their holy texts say that any deal made with the goyim is null and void and can be broken at any time and testifying in front of non-jews it is allowed to swear falsely or use subterfuge etc

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Tirion's avatar

Are you familiar with the Kol Nidre? It's a Jewish religious declaration recited in the synagogue at the beginning of the evening service on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, which annuls any personal or religious oaths or prohibitions which are made between oneself and God in the course of the next year, so as to preemptively avoid the sin of breaking vows which are made to God but are not or cannot be upheld, or annuls any vows taken in the preceding year.

In that context, should we expect treaties and agreements have any value?

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Albert's avatar

Just like the cremation of care at the grove!

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Albert's avatar

Kinda like we are becoming, us meaning the U.S. government

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Curious and Concerned's avatar

I am now ready to disbelieve anything.

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Will Tuttle's avatar

Thanks!!! Very helpful!

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Suzann Vasanji's avatar

Yea nobody really knows what’s going on. Maybe that’s the point.

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Doris Liedmann's avatar

Great summary - thanks

This may be dumb ? when Trump said Iran will stop at the 12th hour and Israel at 24th hour .. did that mean Israel got extra time to continue or have I misunderstood?

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Albert's avatar

besides seeming to be an ass backwards approach to the whole thing, one would think since Israel began first it should stop first...but what do I know? So I guess I raised my children wrong since if there was a disagreement or fighting words between them I would make them both stop at the same time...funny that they never really argued as time went on.

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currer's avatar

You are only the second smartest guy in the world.

Brian Berletic is smarter.

The attack on Iran is long planned US foreign policy outlined in a US paper from 2009 "Which path to Persia.".

https://www.loc.gov/item/2009020912/

Contents

The trouble with Tehran : U.S. policy options toward Iran -- Dissuading Tehran : the diplomatic options -- An offer Iran shouldn't refuse : persuasion -- Tempting Tehran : the engagement option -- Disarming Tehran : the military options -- Going all the way : invasion -- The Osiraq option : airstrikes -- Leave it to Bibi : allowing or encouraging an Israeli military strike -- Toppling Tehran : regime change -- The velvet revolution : supporting a popular uprising -- Inspiring an insurgency : supporting Iranian minority and opposition groups -- The coup : supporting a military move against the regime -- Deterring Tehran : containment -- Accepting the unacceptable : containment -- Crafting an integrated Iran policy : connecting the options.

This was a US enabled Israeli attack on Iran, utilising US intelligence and weaponry stockpiled over years for this very purpose.

Brian Berletic: Trump's Deceptions & War Against Iran

https://glenndiesen.substack.com/p/brian-berletic-trumps-deceptions

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Suzann Vasanji's avatar

Yea nobody really knows what’s going on. Maybe that’s the point.

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Paul  Weiss's avatar

You act as if the Iranians didn’t also launch a bunch of attacks just before the ceasefire deadline. Nothing like biased, one-sided, so-called “reporting.”

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2nd Smartest Guy in the World's avatar

Please reread the article.

I explicitly called them out for bombing Israel and ended the article with Israeli sirens wailing.

Your CogDis is showing.

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Paul  Weiss's avatar

You’ve been biased against Israel since this thing started, and spent the majority of the article criticizing Israel for striking Iran while the ceasefire wasn’t yet in effect. Iran did the same. While I despise the Iranian government, I recognize that they didn’t violate the ceasefire, EITHER. Fair is fair, either condemn both sides or leave them both alone…but you can’t do that, biased as you’ve been since it started.

How about sticking to matters of health and the related politics? I have enjoyed and looked forward to your posts on that subject, and can’t wait til you return to your forte - which CLEARLY isn’t foreign affairs.

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2nd Smartest Guy in the World's avatar

Let's put it this way: if Iran started this latest nonsense I would have been just as critical....

I am condemning ALL sides.

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Paul  Weiss's avatar

And I condemn the cowardly moral equivalence that you assign to both sides. The simple fact is that an Iranian proxy, Hamas, attacked Israel and barbarically massacred about 1200 people and kidnapped 250 more on October 7, 2023. One day later, a much more controlled Iranian proxy, Hezbollah, started launching thousands of rockets at Israel. The Houthis, yet another Iranian proxy, not only launched missiles at Israel, but at neutral commercial shipping of many nations. Iran itself launched hundreds of missiles and drones on 2 separate occasions against Israel, prior to this latest dust up between them. Most importantly of all, Israel has threatened not one single country in the world with nuclear annihilation, whereas Iran has specifically and repeatedly threatened to wipe Israel off the map with atomic weapons while openly building a nuclear weapons program. How you can be equal in condemning both sides, I cannot fathom. Your moral compass is broken.

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2nd Smartest Guy in the World's avatar

You do realize that Netanyahu admitted to funding Hamas, yes?

Please save your sanctimoniousness for someone else.

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Paul  Weiss's avatar

They provided the government of Gaza with electricity and water, so they had a chance to create a peaceful place to live. This was also done in the hopes of showing, by contrast, that the Palestinian Authority wasn’t a good partner for peace and didn’t deserve a formally recognized state. Well, it turns out to have been a calculated roll of the dice that didn’t work out as hoped, because Hamas repaid that generosity by NOT paying the electric and water bills, and with rockets and massacres. THAT was the funding that you’re talking about. Israel gave them a chance to run their own territory and live in peace, but neither Hamas nor most of the citizens of Gaza were interested.

What you miss about the entire conflict between Israel and its enemies in the Middle East is that Israel wants to live in peace, its leaders have proposed peace since before it even existed as a state, and every single time it’s enemies have flatly rejected those overtures, with the notable exceptions of Egypt and Jordan, both of whom were heavily bribed to accept that peace, and who craved western support, which would not have been forthcoming had they refused to sign peace treaties with Israel. It is a well known maxim in that part of the world that if the Arabs dropped their weapons, there would be peace. But if the Israelis dropped their weapons, there would be a massacre. There’s a reason for that, and it’s not because the Israelis are the aggressor. But you don’t see that, simply because you don’t want to.

Oh, and by the way, I am most certainly not of the view that any Israeli government, including the present one, has been perfect in the way it behaved. They have all made mistakes, just like our own government has and will continue to do so. Every government in the world is composed of very imperfect human beings, and I do not suffer any illusions regarding that. BUT the chasm between those Israeli governments and the governments of its self-proclaimed enemies is enormous.

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Ellen's avatar

Assuming the only lives that matter are Israelis (I don't agree with that, but many see it that way), and assuming the attack on October 7th was the most brutal, unfair, massacre and hostage taking of innocent civilians ever, which justified everything done to pulverize Gaza afterwards ...

How can it be explained that an army as capable as Israel's, in a country that small, didn't mobilize a response for many hours?

There's no way Israel didn't know about - at least - the October 7th attack.

https://madhavasetty.substack.com/p/why-now-bibi (Links to Dr Setty's article "Israel's 9/11", soon after 10.7

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Paul  Weiss's avatar

I agree with you that Israeli lives are not the only ones that matter. I just want to make that very clear at the outset.

WRT the events of October 7, there are a few explanations, as I understand the facts. First of all, you have to understand that the Israelis have a tendency to be extremely arrogant about being able to “handle“ the Arabs in any conflict. When they have had a string of victories, that arrogance usually winds up biting them in the rear end. It did in the 1973 war, when Israeli leadership dismissed out of hand warnings from their own intelligence services about an impending attack, based upon the very arrogant and faulty assumption that the Arabs were incapable of mounting any kind of a serious attack. Israel paid a very severe price for that, roughly 3000 dead, equivalent to three Vietnam wars for the United States in less than a month. Ironically enough, October 7 was one day after the 50th anniversary of the beginning of the 1973 war (and also on a Jewish holiday), and once again the arrogance of the Israelis led them to believe that Hamas was also incapable of mounting a successful attack. Quite obviously they were wrong and, as a result, they were asleep at the switch. Further, Hamas engaged in a very patient and well-coordinated plan to further lull the Israelis to sleep - they moved vehicles and hundreds of fighters to various places along the border…23 separate times. Who wouldn’t be deceived with the other side crying “Wolf!” 23 times?

Also consider that this area, right next to Gaza, is not that close to the main equipment depots of the IDF, and the IDF is actually very lightly manned unless there is a mobilization of reserves. When they are mobilized, it takes 1-2 days to gather, organize, equip and supply those troops, and then they have to get to the battlefield.

I certainly don’t excuse the IDF and its civilian political leadership for failing to take the threat from Hamas seriously, but once that was a fact, the seemingly slow response time is understandable.

If you’re trying to say that Israel’s government knew that the attack was coming and its leadership allowed it to happen on purpose, I strongly disagree - and Netanyahu, who lost his brother in combat (and undoubtedly many friends over the years) is among the last who would ever allow such a thing because he intimately understands what such a loss does to a family. Besides, so many people would know, many of whom are very strong political opponents of Netanyahu, that the secret couldn’t possibly be kept. That says to me that there was no underlying secret. Remember Occam’s Razor: the simplest explanation of something is usually the right one. In this case (as in so many others) that explanation is that a bunch of people didn’t do their jobs, IOW, incompetence.

Just my opinion.

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shibumi's avatar

Why did it take the IDF 12 hours to respond to the Oct. 7 attacks?

Why does a military that admits it can see a mouse cross a checkpoint not see this in broad daylight?

And, of course, this:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-07/israel-hannibal-directive-kidnap-hamas-gaza-hostages-idf/104224430

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Paul  Weiss's avatar

They “admit” that they have these capabilities? Brag is more like it. Yes, the Israeli military has some of the best technology in the world, and some of the best trained soldiers, too. However, they are human, which means that they make a multitude of different mistakes, just like all the rest of us. Perhaps their overconfidence in their technological capabilities led them to ignore a threat from Hamas? That is actually what seems to have occurred, with lower level soldiers near the front lines sounding the alarm, and the higher-ups behind the lines ignoring them. That happens all the time in military organizations. What is so difficult to understand about either overconfidence on the one hand, or incompetence on the other?

On the other hand, believing in some kind of a false flag event, which would essentially be a massive conspiracy, doesn’t seem very realistic. Why? Because of the old saying that two can keep a secret, if one is dead. The bigger, the conspiracy, the more likely it is that somebody will spill the beans at some point. When you combine that general principle with the fact that there are a lot of people inside of Israel, even in its military, who despise Netanyahu from a political point of view it is easy to see that they would be the first ones to spill the beans - not by accident, but on purpose to advance their own political agenda. That hasn’t happened, and I believe that it is for a very simple reason - that there was no such conspiracy or plan to begin with.

Occam’s Razor - the simplest and least complicated explanation is usually the correct one. Overconfidence, which the Israeli military and political have both suffered from over the years, and simple human incompetence. That’s your explanation right there.

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Ellen's avatar

Appreciate your willingness to give criticism where it's deserved, and not just blindly rally around "Our Leader" - while also having no illusions that Democrats and their official narrative are sane.

Thank you.

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Paul  Weiss's avatar

I will give credit there, also. As I mentioned in another comment, no government is (or was, or ever will be) perfect, simply because it is composed of very imperfect people. Our present government is not an exception, and sometimes deserves the criticism it receives.

That said, while the Republicans are certainly not perfect, at least they’re not insane (with war-mongering Lindsey Graham being a very likely exception to that general statement).

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Oh, and by the way, throughout this entire interrelated conflict started by Iranian proxies over a year and a half ago, Israel has gone out of its way to avoid inflicting civilian casualties. Of course, they have inflicted some, it is unavoidable in war, and particularly when the enemy you are fighting purposely puts civilians in place as shields for their fighters and WANTS those casualties for the propaganda value. Meanwhile, all of the Iranian proxies and Iran itself have gone out of their way to inflict the maximum number of casualties among Israeli civilians that they are able to accomplish. And you condemn both sides equally? Again, your moral compass is broken, unless you are completely unaware of those facts (and I find that difficult to believe).

Please take my advice and stick to health related issues, where you have a very great deal of expertise and knowledge. I really do like this sub stack, just not over the last roughly 2 weeks. I really can’t wait for you to get back to what you know something about

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Albert's avatar

as an observer, I'm not seeing any impartiality in your comments. The more you write the more obvious your bias shows....I couldn't care less, just sayin'

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Paul  Weiss's avatar

The difference is that I have never pretended to be impartial…though to be fair, I did mention that Iran has as much right to keep fighting right up to the first moment of the ceasefire as Israel, which is a pretty impartial statement. Though, otherwise, I am certainly NOT impartial. I despise the theocratic gangsters who have ruled over Iran with incredible brutality for 46 years, how they have murdered over 1,000 Americans over that time and taken our people hostage, who have spread terrorism throughout the Mideast and across the world, and who were diligently trying to build an arsenal of atomic weapons and intercontinental ballistic missiles that could reach Europe and the U.S.

No, I am not impartial between them and a tiny little country that has only wanted to live in peace for the last 77 years, and has not been allowed to by its intolerant and genocidal neighbors - and I am PROUDLY partial.

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Ross S's avatar

I pray for peace. Our Heavenly Father is in control. I trust He is at work in the secret places. We know so little don’t we? 🙏🏻

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FoolsGold's avatar

There's a lot of hallucinating going on in Zion Dons head.

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GalleG's avatar

Lol....he isn’t a linear thinker and so you label him with an unflattering moniker? That’s what children do.

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shibumi's avatar

Trump has been acting more bombastic than usual for a few months. Trump Unchained so to speak. It got worse after his feud with Musk.

My theory, FWIW, is that Musk ran across some kompromat from Bibi/Epstein in the computers. And called Trump on it. Trump, who is now being blackmailed by Bibi, is showing the strain; that's why he's acting so bizarre.

If this is true, well, he may very well just stroke out from the stress.

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Sharon's avatar

I’m thinking proxies in the US. The missiles were for show.

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Jaz's avatar

I do not believe everything that we watched recently from these 3 Musketeers:Trump, Nethanyahu, Khomeini!

https://jazminew38gmailcom.substack.com/p/what-we-just-watched

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/\/€u Th@/_/ght's avatar

The whole affair is beyond infantile. Seriously, JR. Kindergarten’s can do a better job. We allow these decrepit POS to run our world. What an embarrassment.

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Tess's avatar

That about sums it up. Double-speak all around.

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2nd Smartest Guy in the World's avatar

I have no problems with their atrocious and primitive behaviors.

Just observing this medieval shit show.

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Albert's avatar

I think your observations are rational and logical. The 'who started it first' is really becoming irrelevant over time....same, same with Ukraine. IMHO. Now Mexico is joining in the fun making noise about 'reclaiming'. Next the Neanderthals will be looking for restitution from homo-sapiens, lol

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