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John Raymond's avatar

This probably won't be settled in a court, I am thinking...

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Nothing is more despicable than a lynch mob...

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John Raymond's avatar

Are we not ar war?

I am sure you have seen the concentration camps...

No one knows how this is going to end.... I see 5 % chance of Nuremberg trials, 95 % chance of civil wars .

You're comment was stupid and insulting

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

You mean the 800 "Green Zones" with an average capacity of 20k "test subjects" each?

Ad hominem attacks and name-calling match your description of my otherwise-impersonal comment.

There is no "we." How can you tell the difference between an infiltrator and a freedom fighter?

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John Raymond's avatar

How this plays out no one knows. But I believe it will be civil wars worldwide. An opinion.

There is a We. Infiltrators is a problem for sure

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

According to some sources, in the last 50-60 years, the Klan had 49 agents for every member. :)

That sounds quite realistic.

Infiltrators report, but they also create ideological divisions and wreak havoc by turning people on each other for personal reasons.

I can't stand that sort of thing, either! :)

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John Raymond's avatar

God bless. Sorry I was so rough.

I believe it will be wars worldwide, and battle lines will be fairly honest...

Dreaming, maybe. Nobody knows.

I absolutely abhor idea of innocent being murderers by Pfizer or lynch mob... thats not who I am.

Oxbow incident horrified me... 50 yrs ago I remember it

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

You know, Raymond, that I appreciate your company and your thoughts (I am one of your subscribers, too), so it took me by surprise that we had this fallout. It is also normal that as we age (that is you and I :) ), we don't have much patience for evil or stupidity, and sometimes this lack of patience lingers on even in situations, where it is not applicable. :)

Althought have become a lot more gentle over the years, I've always had the uncanny ability to hurt people's feelings without ever wanting to do that. No matter how hard I try, it still happens sometimes, perhaps because I usually expess myself in bare-bones expressions and imply more than what can be normally inferred. That's my fault, not yours.

It also seems that I managed to touch upon a subject that has been bothering you for a long time. I usually advocate against violence, which doesn't mean I wouldn't use it in defense of the weak, but it would be a last resort. In the past 43 years or so, my simply looking at bullies usually prevented violence. Of course, I had to learn that as a child in a poor, crime-ridden neighborhood, where teachers were already afraid of 10-year-olds, because many of those "children" were already gang members. One thing I profited from that experience is that those who are afraid are already dead and it is better to be dead than living in fear. I just wish more of these intimidated morons realized that; "covid" and all wouldn't stand a chance! :)

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John Raymond's avatar

You misconstrued my words and attributed something I never have called for.

Others have... I have not.

It was very insulting. I want justice served, not a lynch which I find despicable as well.

I viewed it as an attack on me by you.

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John Raymond's avatar

I want truth, I want justice. I abhor unfairness. Absolutely abhor it.

I am sickened by it.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Sorry, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings and I did misunderstand your comments. Nothing personal; even I was surprised at the extent of our miscommunication, but it is hopefully over.

Let me explain my stance.

You said, "I see 5 % chance of Nuremberg trials, 95 % chance of civil wars ." That doesn't necessarily imply that justice will be served by a lynch mob. Not trying to even initiate contention, but in any war, including a civil war, in the end, it's the victor's "justice" that prevails, which suggests that you meant that Nuremberg was a fair court.

According to my logic, if there are no courts, it's justice done by the lynch mob or a "Nuremberg trial." None of those would bring "justice."

I hope, you accept my apology and my explanation.

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John Raymond's avatar

No apology, Ray...

This is very very stressful.

You are honorable man.

I hope we have coffee someday.

We are all on edge.

I prat you and your get thru this.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

Thank you kindly. I hope, you are right about me being honorable, but at least, I am trying. :)

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John Raymond's avatar

And frankly much smarter in many areas!

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

And I can be incredibly stupid, too! Luckily, I usually notice and don't insist. :)

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John Raymond's avatar

Very smart, you've tought me.

And made me challenge my assumptions

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