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Edward Bernaysauce's avatar

CJ Hopkins has said as much in his recent exchange with MAA:

“The same people that conformed to the old structure of power (simulated democracy) are conforming to the new structure (pathologized totalitarianism). Their conformity looks different, not because the people have changed, but because the structure of power has changed.”

“It’s a red herring because it focuses your attention on the result rather than on the cause. You don’t defeat totalitarianism by ‘curing’ people of mass psychosis. You end the mass psychosis by dismantling the totalitarianism that caused it.”

“To those who are upset that I called Desmet’s theory a red herring ... my point is simple. It’s a red herring because the causality of the phenomenon is reversed. Mass psychosis doesn’t cause totalitarianism. Totalitarianism causes mass psychosis. Always. It is an essential part of the structure of totalitarianism. The people who conform to the dominant system of power will conform to ANY dominant system of power. Change the structure of the system of power, and their conformity to it will look different.”

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2nd Smartest Guy in the World's avatar

Absolutely correct.

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Edward Bernaysauce's avatar

seems to ring true...

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Hannah W's avatar

"The people who conform to the dominant system of power will conform to ANY dominant system of power. " That's true.

Therefore, dismantling a totalitarian power system is not the cure on its own.

Knee-jerk obedience to a systemic authority is a common human condition. Release the conformists from the grip of one tyrant, and they will just look for another one to run their lives for them.

I'm with the commenters who argue that this needs a both-and solution.

People as individuals have to take responsibility and decide today to make sure that a given directive from above checks out, before falling in line.

After all, we agree that our best chance to disrupt the mass submission to the totalitarian framework of today is SG the 2nd's motto: DO NOT COMPLY. That's an action initiated on the individual level.

In short, we are personally accountable to break the cycle. Regardless of who "formed" it or "induced" it or how much "mass" it has.

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Edward Bernaysauce's avatar

well- in order to achieve that of which you speak, I think we need to address the following:

https://off-guardian.org/2022/09/03/5-psychological-experiments-that-explain-the-modern-world/

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Hannah W's avatar

Yes, thank you, that was an interesting essay and collection.

It was also unsettling.

The conclusion at the end (and the comments that followed) implied that experiments are being performed on us everywhere, all the time -- you can't trust anyone, anywhere, to be straight with you. Even the few well-meaning people in authority are being duped by those higher up.

But no one can live like that. You would have to retreat into a fantasy world where stuff that that doesn't happen, or become exhausted by endless suspicion while trying to navigate the real one.

The only way to fight back is to be able to trust your life to a higher and more righteous Authority than any on earth, to consider yourself accountable only to Him, and to know that the evildoers will someday have to face His wrath. That's how I will make it through this dark time with my soul intact.

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Edward Bernaysauce's avatar

Finding the core of the self ( which (imo) - does not exist) - unfettered by the language/spells cast by those that would seek to control & separate one -is essential. There, in the quiet, in the space between breaths, lies "god".

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I agree (fwiw) the impulse-or coordinating principle of all religions ( and by extension all modern precepts towards belief) is to co-opt what is already inherent in the human organism and direct it in some way...

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Hannah W's avatar

Yes, the desire to submit to a higher power IS inherent in the human soul.*

Because of that inherent reality, those who insist on the black-hole notion that they are their own 'higher power' are the most vulnerable.

Nature abhors a vacuum, and that pull is taking you somewhere, whether you admit it or not.

Even Darwinists are now acknowledging that their system is a secular religion. (yep, look it up.)

(*I do not comply with the implications of pairing "belief" with "human organism". Your convictions and principles, sir, are not just electro-chemical reactions in a bag of carbon-based matter. And with all due respect, you know it!)

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Hannah W's avatar

Uh huh.

And that's why the first thing every totalitarian regime does is announce that unfettered Bible-based faith is the best thing that ever came along, and everyone needs to embrace it.

Especially prized is that verse, "We must obey God rather than men." Rome fell in love with the statement soon as it was uttered, the Nazis put it on their belt buckles, I think China now has it on their flag.

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Hannah W's avatar

Sorry dear, a few factual corrections:

1- The swastika was and still is a Hindu symbol. Nazism was a pagan system.

2- Before Hitler went after the Jews, he murdered or imprisoned all Christian leaders who refused to comply with his patriotic program. He literally banned the parts of the Bible that put obedience to God above obedience to him.

3- The CCP recognizes religious *traditions*, but clearly represses religious *freedom of conscience* - hence the "re-education facilities" dedicated to "transforming" Christian prisoners by torture. The only CCP-approved churches are those obedient to the state's Three-Self Patriotic framework. Xi has openly called all other churches "dangerous".

4- Rome did NOT "invent Christianity". The original came straight out of 1st-century Judaism, and for centuries Rome sent them to die in the arenas for public entertainment.

5- It took Rome 300 years to co-op that faith, tweaking the precepts and melding it with paganism until it served Roman political interests.

BTW you avoided that key verse which makes anyone who embraces it a prime threat to totalitarian regimes.

It's no coincidence that the UN globalists are trying to stamp out Judeo-Christian belief and supplant it with a form of Hinduism -- the most submissive, passive, fatalistic religion in human history.

They've been grooming children with it since the 1980s through their prizewinning World Core Curriculum.

Those children are now the adults in power.

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Hannah W's avatar

Thank you for documenting my statement that it's a Hindu symbol. But none of this supports the idea that Hitler was a Christian. He regarded himself as the reincarnation of the Nordic god of war.

If as you said, "the NAZI swastika is a Christian symbol," why would any churches have been required to switch their cross for the hakenkreuz? And why would they have refused, even when faced with prison or death? That's what started the Bekennende Kirche resistance movement.

The Roman version is not the only form of Christianity, nor is the West the only place in the world. But as I said, Rome could not tolerate the original, unfettered Christian message because it reserved the right "to obey God rather than men." Neither can today's Beijing or Moscow or Ramallah.

Hinduism and its offshoot Buddhism teach that if you are suffering, it's because you earned it in a previous life. Their religion teaches that you MUST NOT relieve suffering, either your own or other people's -- doing that will disrupt your/their Karmic restitution and make things worse for you/them in the next life. Your spiritual goal is to detach from pain, illness, poverty, and death by learning not to care. Convince yourself that all physical circumstances and experiences are maya - illusion. All of your life is a dream, and your death is also a dream.

The god of destruction (Shiva, adorned with skulls and snakes) is the most popular deity in Hinduism, because that's the one who "releases from all constrictions" - self-destruction is considered a blessing.

That's what I meant by "submissive, passive, and fatalistic". Jewish-Christian teaching is the opposite in every way, and I advise you to do your own comparison.

Regarding Hinduism's "lowest death rate", you don't seem up-to-date on the Hindu-Muslim clashes in India, or the politically motivated Hindu attacks on Christians "in the name of Lord Ram"... making India the 10th most dangerous country for Christians to live in.

That's not counting the age-old customs of Hindu suicide, jauhar and sati (the latter finally outlawed in India by the Christian British occupiers).

I note for the record that you've traveled pretty far from your opening objection:

"Religion, especially imaginary sky-daddy based religion, is a very foolishly escapist exercise that plays right into the hands of predatory totalitarians."

As it turns out, there's really only one "sky-based religion" that sets your hair on fire. Glad we have it out in the open now.

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disfatbidge's avatar

Agree 100. Well said

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disfatbidge's avatar

Exactly

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jpb's avatar

Yes---totalitarianism is the inversion of reality.

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disfatbidge's avatar

Brilliant and very clear

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