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Jerms 9654's avatar

Ok well just look at the autopsy picture that only shows his neck. The earlobes in that picture are very distinct. Kind of bent in half. I googled a picture of Epstein while alive and his earlobes look nothing like that.

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I've been an EMT for a few years and have work a number of CPR calls.

While protocols vary slightly between departments and states, I think there are some things that should be constant in how such calls are handled. For one, we stay on the scene when doing a CPRresuscitation until ROSC (return of spontaneous circulation) or until the code is called. While EMTs are not allowed to call a time of death in a resuscitation, paramedics are. If the FDNY folks who responded to the suicide call were paramedics, they would have worked Epstein until it was clear that the guy wasn't coming back. Typically (again, I do not know FDNY's protocols), if fifteen minutes of continuous CPR and the injection of epinephrine and magnesium sulfate do not re-establish some rhythm, the paramedics will call a time of death. It is very important to stay at the scene for two reasons. The first is that good quality CPR is very difficult to maintain while moving the patient to, and transporting them in the ambo. The second is that upon death, this is now a crime scene. The police and the medical examiner will need to see the body at the scene. In EMT schools at every level of certification, we are warned about messing up a crime scene, and taking away the body is the worst way to do that.

I do concur that the ET tube does not seem to be inserted far enough into the patient.

When the patient is declared dead, nothing is removed. The ET tube stays in place. If the patient had made it to the hospital alive, he would not have been pronounced in the ambo bay and would not have had the ET tube pulled there.

Fishy, very fishy

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