The main issue with The Westminster Declaration is that it appeals to those very same illegitimate and wholly captured governments and their corporate partners-in-crime that are responsible for the human rights abuses and censorship. This is akin to begging your rapist to cease their sexual assault in mid thrust, please, pretty please…
A worthy document and signed by a number of people I trust. However, I agree with 2SGW, asking pretty please does not do it for the current murderous regimes that exist to use populations to fund grift, sanction murder and push Marxist subversion. The document needs teeth. How about a threat that unless these items are agreed to in writing and by a particular date, the populations will strike (not work) and will subvert the economies causing maximum pain for corporations that fund these governments? Yes, this means people need to make a sacrifice and not just sit on their ass and watch TV...
Yes, many of the signatories are trustworthy, but then there is people like Jordan Peterson, who himself has demanded that the 'hate speech' towards Israel and followers of jewish religion must end and ranted that everyone should comment on the internet only with their real name after he got negative feedback about former.
You cannot have free speech if criticizing someone or some country is excluded from the free speech list, no matter what is mine or your or Jordan Petersons opinion about that.
Everyone should be able to speak their mind and if the opinion is not what someone else thinks, they can respond to it with their own, and that is the point of it, the truth will come to surface because lies will not last in truly free debate.
Any censorship , no matter how 'good' the supposed reason for it , will always bring in doubts and conspiracy suspicions and will always expand into more and more censorship and then we'll end up where we almost are now : lot of people being cancelled and censored and muted if their opinion differs from the 'accepted' current thing.
"everyone should comment on the internet only with their real name after he got negative feedback about former." Anonymous posting is valuable in getting to the truth. It is bad enough that the "power that be" in the surveillance state can figure out who you are anyway.
@Bread and Circuses - Jordan Peterson is a disappointment. It is clear that he is compromised not sure how that happened. Zionists are the world's foremost hypocrites. They lecture the rest of the world about open borders and are critical of nationalists but are UNABLE to see they do the exact opposite in Israel. It is ironic that they throw the "anti-semitism" card when the vast majority of Zionists are descended from Japheth and are not Semitic at all. When I criticize Israel and the policies of Zionists, I am anti-Zionist and proudly so. The irony is the Palestinians that the Zionists abuse and house in a concentration camp are more Semitic and have a closer bloodline to Abraham than Jews do!!!
Yes, but the tyrants have always been able to count on the "collective stupidity" of the masses as Bonhoeffer once noted, the "human defect" which prevents openness to reason or facts; it is never about mass formation or hypnosis , except as after effects, it is about the "existential failure" of humanity in human history as Fromme and others have described; and ironically, it is also during such precarious times that human nature reveals some of its best qualities among its worst and irredeemable.
When you are unorganized and disarmed, all you can do is say no and petition regarding grievances. The "people" in the USA gave up their rights to local armed self-defense long ago. Decentalized militias were replaced by the National Guard. With a more strident statement even fewer would have signed the declaration. I'm no expert on UK personalities, but it looked to me like the REAL RIGHT was excluded.
Striking (not working} does not matter to the World Economic Forum Billionaires behind the Plandemic. They don't care if the economy is destroyed because the economy serves the people. The WEF wants de-industialization and depopulation. The ELITE controls the Central Bank money machines. Strikes hurt the people who need goods and services and justify granting further powers to the tyrants to "save us." Look at the trucker strike.
@Lloyd Miller - Indeed you have a good point about the strikes. However my intent was not to bring down WEF but to hurt the corporations that the US govt caters to. It is clear the US govt no longer serves the people but instead serves corporate power. If companies cannot function, that is leverage against the US govt to "change" something. People are stupid...they do not understand that a ballot box will not force change...it is a sop to the masses to make folks think they made a difference. The ONLY way change is going to come about is through protests, civil disobedience, etc. MLK had the formula down and we can learn from him.
All major Corporations are now controlled through the WEF, actually the Central Banking fraternity behind it. Government personnel are now chosen by the WEF and serve them as minions. Of course though, with enough people resisting all this would turn around. People are convince the government their to help them. They cannot fathom that the governments have been captured.
Seriously you need to go another level up. My guess is WEF is a front for the Rothschild banking dynasty among others. Agreed that everything has been captured-even churches.
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It is kind of surreal how we are basically begging for governments to stop oppressing us - governments that WE empower though our acquiesence. They get their power, money, and authority from US. It's a perverted world where we have to beg for our rights back. This is why they deduct taxes from our paychecks before it's in our hands - at this point in history, who would voluntarily be paying taxes? Non-payment would solve the problem in a hurry, as the Clown Show would have to go get real jobs doing something that people actually WANT. Most of them would end up living under a bridge.
Oct 20, 2023Liked by 2nd Smartest Guy in the World
2ndSmG I like your take! I can't really rally behind because of C J Hopkins ousting from these selectmen (and woman- didn't notice alot of women?). ? Natural Law, Natural Rights!
Speaking of infringements of freedom, I just heard that my Petdazole was rejected by British customs and was sent back to the US. I got a full refund from Virex who were very quick to let me know what was happening but clearly British people are going to be prevented from getting that cheap and effective dog dewormer for their pooches.
I know Dr Tess Lawrie was speaking about setting up a British distribution method for these safe and effective dewormers but so far nothing has been set up.
It seems I could probably get illegal drugs in the UK easier than I can get safe and effective dewormers for my dog Brandon.
You need to get creative. Just as the government screws you over, you need to screw them over. Never been to Britain but sounds to me folks there need to watch Braveheart and figure out how to get the crooks out. Here in the US, plenty of folks are disengaging and moving to wilderness to get away from the upcoming collapse.
In my view, anybody that "goes on the record" opposing censorship is a good egg. I ended up signing the declaration, although I wasn't contacted to sign the manifesto, which I'm sure was just an oversight.
I simply wrote my own Substack article and added my name there. I also see that many more people are starting to sign the document, including several people who are actually no longer living, but signed posthumously or in spirit. It's an impressive and diverse list.
I still think the most important list is that of all the people who refused to sign. My reporting identified some of these people as well.
I think the opinion of the 2nd Smartest Guy is too cynical; we're throwing out the baby with the bath water, insisting on perfection instead of the good.
The freedom to speak freely is the core fight at this time, and to dismiss this as akin to telling a rapist to stop is to miss the point of the growing awareness and alarm at the steps being taken to corral us into a one-thought-fits-all society.
Instead of slapping down the people trying to make a difference maybe we should support them and applaud their efforts? Or what else do we propose-- that we each individually maintain our right to speak freely, not say anything, and let that right be taken from us because we're too good to support the people who're speaking up? Well, what then?
Just as a heads up, WhatsApp is no longer really encrypted end to end. Meta bought is (Zuckerberg/Facebook) and it ended for certain right there. He has a deal with the Feds.
"We call on tech ..." should be We want or We demand. Why is this declaration so very nice and wimpy sounding? We don't need to stick to sounding mannerly...We are dealing with psychopaths who are NOT fking around! This is NOT the way to talk to these kind of people, to get though to them. Why wasn't there some THRUST and POWER put into this document???
Agree, Obama made it legal for propaganda to be used against the citizens. Why would that be? MSM makes things up continuously with no consequence. It used to be a big deal when a story had to be retracted, now they don’t even bother to correct the lies. SMH
Yes, and cleaning out all of the crooked judges, DA's, prosecutors, and other judicial system corruption in every county and State must be a priority if we are to ever get this all back under the constitution as they left no stone un-turned to push their agenda through! We need citizen groups for integrity in justice or similar to the momma bear's that cleaned up their school boards and tackle the judiciary next!
A worthy document and signed by a number of people I trust. However, I agree with 2SGW, asking pretty please does not do it for the current murderous regimes that exist to use populations to fund grift, sanction murder and push Marxist subversion. The document needs teeth. How about a threat that unless these items are agreed to in writing and by a particular date, the populations will strike (not work) and will subvert the economies causing maximum pain for corporations that fund these governments? Yes, this means people need to make a sacrifice and not just sit on their ass and watch TV...
Yes, many of the signatories are trustworthy, but then there is people like Jordan Peterson, who himself has demanded that the 'hate speech' towards Israel and followers of jewish religion must end and ranted that everyone should comment on the internet only with their real name after he got negative feedback about former.
You cannot have free speech if criticizing someone or some country is excluded from the free speech list, no matter what is mine or your or Jordan Petersons opinion about that.
Everyone should be able to speak their mind and if the opinion is not what someone else thinks, they can respond to it with their own, and that is the point of it, the truth will come to surface because lies will not last in truly free debate.
Any censorship , no matter how 'good' the supposed reason for it , will always bring in doubts and conspiracy suspicions and will always expand into more and more censorship and then we'll end up where we almost are now : lot of people being cancelled and censored and muted if their opinion differs from the 'accepted' current thing.
"everyone should comment on the internet only with their real name after he got negative feedback about former." Anonymous posting is valuable in getting to the truth. It is bad enough that the "power that be" in the surveillance state can figure out who you are anyway.
@Bread and Circuses - Jordan Peterson is a disappointment. It is clear that he is compromised not sure how that happened. Zionists are the world's foremost hypocrites. They lecture the rest of the world about open borders and are critical of nationalists but are UNABLE to see they do the exact opposite in Israel. It is ironic that they throw the "anti-semitism" card when the vast majority of Zionists are descended from Japheth and are not Semitic at all. When I criticize Israel and the policies of Zionists, I am anti-Zionist and proudly so. The irony is the Palestinians that the Zionists abuse and house in a concentration camp are more Semitic and have a closer bloodline to Abraham than Jews do!!!
Exactly right!
If a vast number of people agreed with the declaration the tyrants would have to back off, at least moderating their tyranny as they have in the past.
Yes, but the tyrants have always been able to count on the "collective stupidity" of the masses as Bonhoeffer once noted, the "human defect" which prevents openness to reason or facts; it is never about mass formation or hypnosis , except as after effects, it is about the "existential failure" of humanity in human history as Fromme and others have described; and ironically, it is also during such precarious times that human nature reveals some of its best qualities among its worst and irredeemable.
When you are unorganized and disarmed, all you can do is say no and petition regarding grievances. The "people" in the USA gave up their rights to local armed self-defense long ago. Decentalized militias were replaced by the National Guard. With a more strident statement even fewer would have signed the declaration. I'm no expert on UK personalities, but it looked to me like the REAL RIGHT was excluded.
Striking (not working} does not matter to the World Economic Forum Billionaires behind the Plandemic. They don't care if the economy is destroyed because the economy serves the people. The WEF wants de-industialization and depopulation. The ELITE controls the Central Bank money machines. Strikes hurt the people who need goods and services and justify granting further powers to the tyrants to "save us." Look at the trucker strike.
@Lloyd Miller - Indeed you have a good point about the strikes. However my intent was not to bring down WEF but to hurt the corporations that the US govt caters to. It is clear the US govt no longer serves the people but instead serves corporate power. If companies cannot function, that is leverage against the US govt to "change" something. People are stupid...they do not understand that a ballot box will not force change...it is a sop to the masses to make folks think they made a difference. The ONLY way change is going to come about is through protests, civil disobedience, etc. MLK had the formula down and we can learn from him.
All major Corporations are now controlled through the WEF, actually the Central Banking fraternity behind it. Government personnel are now chosen by the WEF and serve them as minions. Of course though, with enough people resisting all this would turn around. People are convince the government their to help them. They cannot fathom that the governments have been captured.
Seriously you need to go another level up. My guess is WEF is a front for the Rothschild banking dynasty among others. Agreed that everything has been captured-even churches.
It is kind of surreal how we are basically begging for governments to stop oppressing us - governments that WE empower though our acquiesence. They get their power, money, and authority from US. It's a perverted world where we have to beg for our rights back. This is why they deduct taxes from our paychecks before it's in our hands - at this point in history, who would voluntarily be paying taxes? Non-payment would solve the problem in a hurry, as the Clown Show would have to go get real jobs doing something that people actually WANT. Most of them would end up living under a bridge.
Those in control of the Central Banks don't need taxes. They print money.
2ndSmG I like your take! I can't really rally behind because of C J Hopkins ousting from these selectmen (and woman- didn't notice alot of women?). ? Natural Law, Natural Rights!
Speaking of infringements of freedom, I just heard that my Petdazole was rejected by British customs and was sent back to the US. I got a full refund from Virex who were very quick to let me know what was happening but clearly British people are going to be prevented from getting that cheap and effective dog dewormer for their pooches.
I know Dr Tess Lawrie was speaking about setting up a British distribution method for these safe and effective dewormers but so far nothing has been set up.
It seems I could probably get illegal drugs in the UK easier than I can get safe and effective dewormers for my dog Brandon.
You need to get creative. Just as the government screws you over, you need to screw them over. Never been to Britain but sounds to me folks there need to watch Braveheart and figure out how to get the crooks out. Here in the US, plenty of folks are disengaging and moving to wilderness to get away from the upcoming collapse.
In my view, anybody that "goes on the record" opposing censorship is a good egg. I ended up signing the declaration, although I wasn't contacted to sign the manifesto, which I'm sure was just an oversight.
I simply wrote my own Substack article and added my name there. I also see that many more people are starting to sign the document, including several people who are actually no longer living, but signed posthumously or in spirit. It's an impressive and diverse list.
I still think the most important list is that of all the people who refused to sign. My reporting identified some of these people as well.
https://billricejr.substack.com/p/new-names-added-to-free-speech-manifesto?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
I think the opinion of the 2nd Smartest Guy is too cynical; we're throwing out the baby with the bath water, insisting on perfection instead of the good.
The freedom to speak freely is the core fight at this time, and to dismiss this as akin to telling a rapist to stop is to miss the point of the growing awareness and alarm at the steps being taken to corral us into a one-thought-fits-all society.
Instead of slapping down the people trying to make a difference maybe we should support them and applaud their efforts? Or what else do we propose-- that we each individually maintain our right to speak freely, not say anything, and let that right be taken from us because we're too good to support the people who're speaking up? Well, what then?
Just as a heads up, WhatsApp is no longer really encrypted end to end. Meta bought is (Zuckerberg/Facebook) and it ended for certain right there. He has a deal with the Feds.
Finally, we hear the margins of dissent to why not support the global observance of UDHRs while the EU advances policy against it.
Yup. Whoever it is at the top of the Central and Investment Banking cartel.
Whatever happened to "I may not agree with what you're saying, or I may not like it, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it!"?
voltaire is gagged
"We call on governments..."
"We call on tech ..." should be We want or We demand. Why is this declaration so very nice and wimpy sounding? We don't need to stick to sounding mannerly...We are dealing with psychopaths who are NOT fking around! This is NOT the way to talk to these kind of people, to get though to them. Why wasn't there some THRUST and POWER put into this document???
Thank you thank you thank you for this!
Agree, Obama made it legal for propaganda to be used against the citizens. Why would that be? MSM makes things up continuously with no consequence. It used to be a big deal when a story had to be retracted, now they don’t even bother to correct the lies. SMH
Yes, and cleaning out all of the crooked judges, DA's, prosecutors, and other judicial system corruption in every county and State must be a priority if we are to ever get this all back under the constitution as they left no stone un-turned to push their agenda through! We need citizen groups for integrity in justice or similar to the momma bear's that cleaned up their school boards and tackle the judiciary next!