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Pthalocyanine's avatar

the docs knew from day one vents were a death sentence. but they were afraid of Teh China Virus and screw those patients, I guess. I'll never forgive, nor forget. Doctors of late make lawyers look, frankly, awesome.

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Edwin's avatar

It is like I aid on another thread, "kill them first! Even before the lawyers, who clearly, are #2."

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Edwin's avatar

I always wondered exactly why they chose dexamethasone.

In the nursing homes we saw a lower death rate than was normal pre-pandemic with COPD, emphysema, and other lung patients because, what were they doing different than all the other co-morbidities crowd without lung issues, INHALED STEROIDS!

I remember use of inhaled budesonide was postulated or even used in some cases, which would seem to be a very good idea, but then I didn't hear much about it.

Just going from memory here, folks.

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Mama johnson's avatar

I have a question. I'm a new reader, so it's possible this has been addressed at some point. I'm 47 yo and very healthy. I know a lot of ppl say they are, but for real, I am. I'm a strength and conditioning coach, 5'5" @ 125#, mom of an 11 and 5 year old. I can run a 25 min 5k and squat clean 145#, 155 if it's a really good day. Diet is also on point. Not bragging but wanted to preface what I am about to say. I also have (difficult to treat, aka hard to get down) high blood pressure. I've tried multiple holistic methods in my mid-30s that were unsuccessful. I've acupuncture also tried acupuncture and chiropractic. Both of my parents were hypertensive; my mom at 25 was on BP meds. So now I've been on 2 BP meds for about 4 years. When I got covid, and I believe I got it from shedding of the first round vaxxd age 10+ group in Nov 2021, I was already on a Zelenko preventative protocol. I switched to IVT vs HCQ once I realized I had the C. Regardless I was hit REALLY hard. I continued taking my BP meds, tried to stay hydrated, eat well, etc. What happened is I wound up bottoming out on my BP and at one point was at 85/50. Only reason i know is bc my husband took my BP bc I could not stay awake and kept passing out even when sitting in a chair. I immediately stopped my BP meds and about 3 days later it was "normal." And after 2 weeks I was back on my meds with my BP at its usual high. Could it be possible that ppl w/ hypertension are bottoming out on their BP that get covid since they continue taking their meds, which puts a massive strain on their kidneys possibly deteriorating at home without knowing it leasing to death that way? I haven't really done too much research on it bc once I was over it (and celebrated the natural immunity) I didnt really care. But after reading this about diabetes and tgus med, it made me curious about BP meds too. Any thoughts or expertise in this area?

Thank you

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2nd Smartest Guy in the World's avatar

Excellent extrapolation. It is very possible, but the issue is that there have not been any research studies specific to BP meds and COVID. Given how the spike protein latches on to ACE-2 receptors and all of the potential metabolic reactions that could kick off, you may very well be correct.

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Mama johnson's avatar

Interesting to follow then. I'm not a doctor or researcher so it is out of my expertise. I am a logical *free* thinker, however, so the title of doctor or researcher is not enough to convince me....I will explore their "findings" before accepting truths/absolutes. I suppose things will continue to unravel piece by piece, if people will speak up. We must keep pressing on for the truth.

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Edwin's avatar

Like 2SG said, superb observations here. I would be curious what BP meds and their dosages you were on, specifically, if Covid/Spike Protein could have interfered with the mechanisms of action, or possibly, you had something even more serious going on.

Recognition of these unusual but not necessarily rare events is important to save other's lives or prevent deterioration in their quality of life.

Community Pharmacist for 38 years here, part of the reason for my interest.

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Mama johnson's avatar

Amlodipine 10mg

Losartan-Hctz 100-25mg

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Edwin's avatar

Amlodipne, a calcium channel blocker has been speculated to help somewhat with Covid infections. Losartan, an angiotensin II receptor blocker, has been known when taken by Covid patients in severe conditions to require vasopressors (to raise BP).

So yes, congratulate your husband for his good pharmacological intuition.

And yes, you were quite sick to suffer from the decreased BP at that magnitude.

I think we can add that every BP patient should monitor their pressure closely, particularly if symptoms are severe. Especially since the hospitals send you back home and not to come back till you are almost dead! With no mention, we should add, of potential BP problems!

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Mama johnson's avatar

Yes! My GP said NOTHING of it. I made a mental note to warn those that say they have covid and take BP meds to monitor it daily!

Thank you for your very thorough response!

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Edwin's avatar

You are welcome.

I have been telling BP patients to keep a close eye on their vitals, particularly circulation, because of the clotting issues, which of course can affect BP rather dramatically, and knew of possible interplay between various receptors, but other than calcium channel blockers being slightly advantageous on Covid, or ARB II (losartan & others) users being slightly prone to needing vasopressor use (severe disease only) as well as several other mostly common sense discoveries, there is actually not a lot on BP & Covid.

Another thing ARB II, such as your losartan, are actually protective of the kidney in normal use, and may be a factor in the drugs' favor with Covid.

But the lack of general warnings is practically medical negligence when issues are seen in the hospital requiring vasopressor use! I mean there isn't a lot to choose between being in the hospital and severely ill and being so severely ill you are going to the hospital after being sent home 2 days before!

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Edwin's avatar

I'm going to mention this to some pharmacology friends of mine, and see if we come up with anything.

Thank you.

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Traffer's avatar

Did they do any drug interaction testing?

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Mama johnson's avatar

On me, the original commentor? No. I try to stay away from docs, except in the case of my HBP and fam history. I did talk to my GP at my semi annual appointment about my BP during covid/what happened. Her comment was "oh yeah, I should have told you to stop your BP meds if you got covid." She is for the jab but knows I am definitely not. We have had healthy conversations on the subject, but she has been brainwashed. And she thinks I'm getting all of my info "from Google or Youtube." She actually said one time "a video on YouTube does not make you an expert." Yikes...they really think that about us "lay people."

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Traffer's avatar

As if we can't read several medical studies and form a question for or of a doctor. My original question was posted to a comment on a specific BP drug. Don't see that comment now. Oh well. Hope you can bring down your BP. For what it's worth, keto brought my BP down to normal range, but that was coming from Type II diabetes.

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CK_'s avatar

I think BP medicine is a scam too based on Dr. Gilbert Welch's two books, which discuss the diminishing returns of medicine. BP targets have been repeatedly reduced over the years in order to increase Big Pharma sales. Big Pharma is the 3rd leading cause of death in the US, but that's never mentioned by the mainstream media because both the MSM and Big Pharma have the same owners. It's also frequently advised to reduce salt in order to reduce BP. That's also a scam. Salt is essential for life (our blood is literally salt water). Cut back on processed food and sugar instead; reduce EMF exposure (turn off wifi/cell phones at night); sleep better and toss out the pills.

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LJ's avatar

Tried beets? Great post BTW.

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Mama johnson's avatar

I've tried to like them. I've purchased beet juice with an attempt to cover up the earthiness with other juices. 🤢 I just can't do it. I wanna. I really do! 😁

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LJ's avatar

I’m sorry I’m laughing here, meant with sweetness and understanding but laughing nonetheless. The ONLY nutraceuticals that I think taste good are tart cherry and maqui berry ( latter treats dry eye or is supposed to I’m not sure it works but still has good antioxidant value). I personally like Deglycerhynized licorice taste too but not everyone does. The point I’m trying to make is it’s all “medicine” don’t worry about the taste. But I get it.

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Mama johnson's avatar

🤣 good point...never thought of it like that smh

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Level The Matrix's avatar

Hi. On the topic of controlling your HBP w natural methods, have you ever tried the “weeds” gotu kola or dollar weed? They work amazingly well for HBP and even cholesterol issues. If you haven’t, it may be worth a shot (not the Covid kind obviously).

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2nd Smartest Guy in the World's avatar

We are literally planting gotu kola in our garden tomorrow!

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Level The Matrix's avatar

I’m in Florida and it grows all over the place where I am. My yard is full of it.

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Mama johnson's avatar

Actually I have not. It's been almost 10 years I explored this route, but i do not recall those. I'd love to try this path again. Should I just explore these 2 on my own or do you have specific recommendations of dosages? I don't mind due diligence!

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Level The Matrix's avatar

You can usually find them in areas where the soil is consistently moist. Make sure it’s not an area that gets sprayed w weed killer. Pick them and eat them. Put them on salads. Monitor your BP when using so you don’t go too low. Look them up online so you know what they look like. Little mini lili pad looking things from the size of a dime to a half dollar. They don’t taste bad either.

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2nd Smartest Guy in the World's avatar

Our farm is 100% organic. No spray. We are incorporating some biodynamic Steiner principles as well.

Thanks.

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A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

Hello, different doctor here.

I was not in NYC during the initial wave of the pandemic, but I had a lot of friends there I’ve known since we were all in medical school I regularly corresponded with who were.

Most of what’s stated here matches what I heard.

I felt the most telling line was “Their replies were blank stares” was the most telling.

A few extra comments I’d put in:

•Doctors in NYC were severely undersupplied (which was either severe incompetence or intentional). Beyond the PPE shortages, I know of one hospital where the oxygen ran out.

•I believe another major cause of the deaths in NYC was the panic and anxiety everyone had there (a collective terror gripped NYC at the start of the pandemic), as many people would have their respirations worsen due to anxiety and then be flagged as dying from COVID and immediately intubated. While diabetes and obesity are recognized as major risk factors, anxiety is too (I’ve seen data placing it in the top 3).

•People with COVID can tolerate very low oxygen saturations normal people can’t. I believe this arises from the fact the there are microclotts in the blood and increased blood viscosity it creates has a greater impact in the periphery than the central circulation, so since oxygen saturation is always measured in the periphery it it not representative of the oxygenation the critical organs are getting.

•One of the largest factors that determined if someone survived intubation was how competent the physician ventilating them (COVID ventilation management is more complicated than typical intubations). Many of the people who were put on vents had people who had no experience running vents man the ventilators. The problem was looked at from a standpoint of not having enough ventilators (hence the mad push to get as many vents as possible) but the other half of the equation (people with sufficient experience manning vents) was never considered. The one person we knew would have to intubated we worked as a team to find a hospital that had no medical residents at but did have competent critical care specialists there(only found one place that fit the bill in a large city), and then once our friend was hospitalized, we made sure to get the best person there on the vent and periodically asked questions about the vent settings to them so they would focus on the case. Long story short my friend survived and beat the 5-10% odds of success he had to make it through, although it was incredibly difficult to find the correct hospital in the time frame we had to work with.

•A few people I knew tried to speak up for alternative treatments (even basic things like vitamins) never got anywhere and the medical field was very close minded towards trying them even on people expected to have an imminent risk of death.

•The dexamethasone and withdrawal of lasix point raised here is interesting. I will need to find out if that’s true (that they d/c’d lasix at admission) because that would have killed a lot of people had it been done. My own experience with using steroids on an outpatient basis (for people who are very sick but staying at home) is that they have a lot of notable side effects, but they protect the lungs and keep people alive. Dexamethasone in a hospital raising the blood sugar is a real risk, but that can normally be managed with insulin, although I could see that having been overlooked if everyone was really overworked (it was very challenging to take care of all the patients at the start of pandemic, so personelle to run the vents was just was one issue). My own opinion is that one of the greatest issues with spiking the blood sugar is that this also increases blood viscosity, which was very problematic for the individuals who already had impaired circulation from the virus.

For anyone interested, I wrote a more detailed summary of a lot of this here:

https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/the-politics-of-medical-gaslighting?s=w

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2nd Smartest Guy in the World's avatar

Thanks for the reply. Steroids are used when COVID is long gone from the patient and there is blood acidosis, so the risk/reward profile is excellent vs intubation.

One of the Covid ICU docs I spoke with was young and quite brainwashed. At the time the DEATHVAX was only out around 6 months and all he could do was put his palms together and implore anyone who would listen how safe and effective this injection was. I point-blank asked him why VAERS is exploding already and he replied, "what is VAERS?" I then asked him how he could claim a drug that usually takes many years to get through human trials could never get past animal trials and that we have no idea what the short/medium/long term safety profile is. He mumbled some nonsensical reply.

When this non-pandemic first started getting traction and all the MSM was claiming how deadly it was, I was looking around my large 5th Ave building and no one was dropping dead or really getting sick. There was much panic in the air. I walked over to Lennox Hill hospital and spoke with the 3 receptionists working at the time. I asked basic questions like is there an uptick in admissions, is the narrative lining up with what you are witnessing at the hospital etc. They all glanced around, and then answered me in the negative.

As I wrote on this substack innumerable times, there was never a global pandemic. There was a bioweapon bug no worse than the flu for most, but it clearly was designed to target the old, infirm and generally unhealthy. Of course, the real bioweapon is this DEATHVAX, a slow kill eugenics therapy.

I could go on.....

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One thing that's not appreciated with COVID is that it becomes deadly after the body clears the initial virus and an autoimmune response kicks in. There's a lot of data that shows the infection follows a course of viral peak going up then dropping and then bad things happening. This is one reason why antiviral therapies given by the time hospitalization occurs are often not that helpful. My belief is the best explanation for this is that the spike protein functions as an allergen, and once the body clears the virus it releases a lot of spike into the system. There's one doctor in south africa who has had tremendous success treating it as an allergy. He use some steroids but primarily allergy specific medications.

I have found doctors who are not into alternative stuff almost never know VAERS exists. That has always been my experience. I have also never seen VAERS mentioned in any medical curriculum (and above all else never tested on any exam) and if things are not mentioned in a medical curriculum, people do not know it exists.

I believe that the virus has been massively overhyped, but I know numerous people who were healthy, got hit by it and then came very close to dying (including some who would have had we not made a big effort prior to them needing to go to the hospital) and I've never seen any other infection do that. I had COVID too, and it was very different from any other flu I've gotten in my life. In most cases it is not that bad but in some cases it is. I had to think this over for a while and I know significantly more people who have been seriously injured by the vaccines (which in most cases provide no benefit), but I think it's wrong to try to take the opposite extreme approach and say the virus doesn't exist or matter at all.

If it interests you, I've put a lot of work into trying to elucidate the specific reasons doctors tend to be blind to all of this and the people who have looked it over agree it's a good synopsis of why well intentioned doctors tend to gaslight patients who get injured by pharmaceuticals all the time.

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2nd Smartest Guy in the World's avatar

We recommend products such as this one as prophylactic and early treatment -- so far we have pulled a friend out of ICU headed straight for intubation just with this: www.virex.health

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Hugh Petersen's avatar

We have the ways you stated here to kill “Covid “ patients. In the UK they used midazolam in conjunction with morphine to accomplish this goal. Both countries also used starvation as an implement for death.

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Brian Mowrey's avatar

Bit hard to find, here it is in the NIH guidelines https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/tables/immunomodulators-characteristics/

Dexamethasone is under "Recommended by the Panel for the treatment of COVID-19 in certain nonhospitalized and hospitalized patients."

Unlike the drugs.com page, there's no recommendation to avoid using in patients with kidney / liver issues. There's also a note essentially blessing coadmin with remdesivir.

However, following the link for "hospitalized patients" leads to a more restricted recommendation to on-oxygen-only:

https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/management/clinical-management/hospitalized-adults--therapeutic-management/

This may be the result of later edits, I'll check wayback

*edit: https://web.archive.org/web/20210709045635/https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/management/clinical-management/hospitalized-adults--therapeutic-management/ shows same no-recommend-for-no-Oxygen guideline. But then recommend for Oxygen and above. That's as of July 2021, so going into the Delta wave and huge rise in in-hospital deaths/murders in the south and elsewhere.

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Level The Matrix's avatar

The corporation always comes first. Or maybe that’s the privately funded partnerships. Either way, all the good little order followers made sure people died for profits so they could earn their 30 pieces of silver.

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pandelis's avatar

trump the king of ventilators.

that moron ...

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Susan's avatar

Why are you blaming 45? I believe this was the 'expert advice' he was given by the Follow the Science guy Fraudchi, you moron

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HG's avatar

All of these are tied into severe vit D deficiency..

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